Speaker 1: 0:09

Welcome to another episode from the Sisters in Cash podcast. This episode is featured by modelsearchercom, your adult-friendly social media platform for based and legal fans. Legal fans is your AI league service. Today is my guest. It's the second podcast with her. It's Hayley Sommer. Hi Hi, I'm so happy that you make the time to be the second time in my podcast, because the first episode was in German. Hayley, please tell us a little bit about you.

Speaker 2: 0:54

Well, my name is Hayley and I'm from the US, but I currently live in Germany. I'm an adult content creator and I do that full time, and I am 36 years old.

Speaker 1: 1:08

So nice. So how you started in the adult industry? Tell us a little bit more about you. What are you doing? Are you a cam girl? Or are you working only on Instagram? Or an ex? So what are you doing?

Speaker 2: 1:27

So that's a little bit of a funny story. That was actually, um, just a little idea of, hey, let's start an OnlyFans or any other platform, so I just did that. And then it just went with the flow and it gets. It's got bigger and bigger and bigger and then all of a sudden I was making more on my platforms than in my main job, so I quit and, yeah, I'm a full-time content creator. I'm going to stream very soon, so stay up to date. And right now I am on a few different platforms and my main platform is 4Based.

Speaker 1: 2:09

So nice. Okay, can you tell us a little bit more about 4Based? So today it's your stage here, because you lived in the US. Right Right now you're in Germany. But tell us a little bit more about 4Based.

Speaker 2: 2:26

Right now you're in Germany, but tell us a little bit more about 4Based. 4based is, for me, one of the best platforms. It's very simple, but you have all the necessaries that you need. You have your chat, your feed, your mass messages. It's very easy to use and the support is amazing. So whenever you have a question, you just shoot them a dm and they answer the same day, and they're super helpful, so nice, so um, for the us people.

Speaker 1: 2:58

What's the special thing on for base? Because I think it's a little bit um different than other fan platforms, right? Yeah yeah, so maybe if you're, um, if you bring a user, tell us a little bit more about this so if you register as a creator, um, you can have.

Speaker 2: 3:23

You have your referral link, but it's also your profiling, so you just have one link that you can share with literally everybody and um, if you hand that link to others, they can register through this and then you make a commission of that creator or user for whatever, when they spend money you earn money.

Speaker 1: 3:43

So it's really complicated right? It's just that you share your um for base link yeah, you just yeah. You just have one link that you share okay, that's really interesting, yeah, okay, so also there are some different trends for base right.

Speaker 2: 4:14

Yeah, I'd say so.

Speaker 1: 4:16

Yeah, I think there is a US trend and a German trend. Yeah, is this correct?

Speaker 2: 4:21

Yeah, I think we have France and a Spanish trend as well. Yeah, Is this correct? Yeah, I think we have France and a Spanish trend as well.

Speaker 1: 4:28

Yeah, so and it's different where you are on the feed right. So it's for just for to explain. I think it's for different algorithm or feeds or whatever.

Speaker 2: 4:42

Yeah, yeah. So if you have like for an an instant, I have my profile set to german so I'm more visible on the german market in the trends. If I would switch it to english, obviously I'd be more on the us um. So I like to play around, just to be like a little bit everywhere and not just focus on one trend side.

Speaker 1: 5:03

Really nice, okay and really interesting. Let's talk a little bit about social media. From where are you bringing your traffic? Are you focused on Instagram? Are you more focused on TikTok or on X? What are you doing?

Speaker 2: 5:24

I used to be very strong on Instagram and then they changed a couple of things and I feel like right now you're not really allowed to post anything, so most of my traffic comes from.

Speaker 1: 5:37

Reddit at the moment. Okay, but Reddit is not so easy, correct?

Speaker 2: 5:41

Oh no, Reddit is one of, for me, one of the most complicated sites ever.

Speaker 1: 5:46

Okay, and how do you learn to post or to work with Reddit?

Speaker 2: 5:53

I didn't. I actually have somebody who manages all this for me, so I only need to do the verification progress in the different groups, because I think Redis is very, very time consuming and I just don't have the time or the nerves to put into this because it is so complicated. So I'm in a very lucky position to have somebody who does all that for me.

Speaker 1: 6:20

That's also really interesting. And yeah, there are also services, I think in US, for Reddit promotion, but I never worked with them. Yeah, but I think maybe I have to go deeper into this too.

Speaker 2: 6:38

Yeah, I've never tried any of those services, so I don't know how they are any of those services, so I I don't know how they are.

Speaker 1: 6:50

Yeah, yeah, um. And on instagram, are you focusing on reels or normal pics?

Speaker 2: 6:52

um, right now more on just regular pictures and stories. I'm I'm familiar with the reels and I know they bring a lot of traffic, but I think I got to just be more open to create more real.

Speaker 1: 7:08

You should do Really. You should do Also what's really what works really, really really well. I think you know it also is if you create some content outside, instagram likes to see some content outside. Yeah, yeah, I think that always works really good yeah, yeah, um, okay, also, I think Instagram come up with their own um editing program like CapCut yeah, they, yeah, they do yeah, I think this can be really cool, but you can upload everywhere from from there yeah um, okay, so you have tons of content on your fan sites, is this correct?

Speaker 1: 7:51

that is correct, yeah okay, so let's talk a little bit today about leaks. Did you had some problems with leaks in the past?

Speaker 2: 8:04

oh, tons of problems, tons of problems. There's always some content floating around the internet. Um, I google my name, I think, on a daily basis and really, yeah, I used to not anymore. Um, but as soon as I put my name into google, there was like all these sites and pictures and sometimes the videos popping up and, as a creator, obviously that's something you don't want.

Speaker 1: 8:31

Okay, yeah, correct. So this is really interesting. When I started my career in the industry, there was just, we don't have an AI or something, it was 2012. Just, we don't have an AI or something, it was 2012. There was only. You can search yourself by keywords.

Speaker 2: 8:52

Okay.

Speaker 1: 9:03

So I had a really old how you call it basic leak service where all the girls, all the old girls or all the girls from the German market who are a long time in the industry, they work with them. And this leak service is just based on keywords. And now with AI comes also new programs up. So, for example, also new programs up. So, for example, um legal fans, legal fans um is not only searching by keywords, they're searching also by um face how you call it, face, um, if they can, they scan your face and facial recognition yes, correct, nice word, I have to make a note for me.

Speaker 1: 9:47

And also they search by content, so they scan the content you have on your platforms. They scan the internet with this content. So it's really really, really interesting. Yeah, and I have a really really nice thing. I was so excited to try it because normally I had this leak service just um searching by keywords and I was excited how many leaks would they find yeah and they find a lot also when I was.

Speaker 1: 10:24

I was checking it this morning. It was so crazy. There was also TikTok lives from me in the internet. It's like what the fuck?

Speaker 2: 10:36

yeah, yeah, yeah, because people share everything. Whatever they got, they just they just post it out there and then you know it's like a wildfire, it just spreads and like you cannot stop it. I used to take care of my leaks myself without any services, and that is a ton of work.

Speaker 1: 10:58

It's a ton of work. Yeah, you should try legal fans too. Yeah, absolutely yeah yeah, when you have. So for the girls who had already a leak service if you have a leak service already, um, and you like to start on legal fence because they have this perfect ai technology, um, you will get the first months for free.

Speaker 2: 11:25

I like this that's awesome, yes, that's awesome.

Speaker 1: 11:29

So you have the leak service for three months and then you can. If you don't like it, you can close it every month, so it's no problem, and also, you can stop with this the first seven days. But I think also this technology is there are a lot of AI service for leaks on the market, but they have a special AI technology, a special searching system. So, yeah, I'm really excited about it because, yeah, I scanned the internet the last days and today I got my results and I was really surprised. I was also really surprised surprised about the tiktok lives, because normally, um, if you're a cam girl, you can also book something special. So if somebody record your by cam, if you are online and streaming, um, you get in special that they find also this cam shows in the night.

Speaker 2: 12:32

That's awesome. That's awesome. I have not heard of any league service that offers that.

Speaker 1: 12:39

It's special, I told you.

Speaker 2: 12:40

Yeah, you need to send me all the information.

Speaker 1: 12:45

I will do. Trust me, I will do. Today. My English is like a little bit. Yeah, if you're German and you don't talk every day in English, it's a little bit.

Speaker 2: 12:54

Yeah, of course.

Speaker 1: 12:55

Strange, but you are here to help me. Okay, okay, hallie, I will send you all the information about LegalFans.

Speaker 2: 13:07

Yes.

Speaker 1: 13:08

And also there are three options. So just that you know, they scan one time per month, or one time per week or every day, so you can decide what you like. It depends on how many content you have, how many leaks you have, how big you are, whatever.

Speaker 2: 13:28

That's awesome.

Speaker 1: 13:29

Yeah, I think also the girls. A lot of girls don't know that there are so many leaks of them in the web.

Speaker 2: 13:37

Yeah, yeah, because even if you just Google your name, you just find a few sites. You're never going to find everything, because there are some sites where they have like a forum, and then there's a hidden forum and there's a chat group and it's like I said, it's like a wildfire, it's everywhere.

Speaker 1: 13:54

Unless you have a service, there's no way of you finding it all it's like this yeah yeah um, okay, so from leaks to the to the next conferences for you this year, will you be on some conferences this year?

Speaker 2: 14:13

yes, I will definitely be, uh, with the venus in berlin in september, definitely going to be there and, um, I don't know if I can manage some others, but definitely berlin, that's guaranteed yeah, this is this in cash podcast will be the official podcast of the Venus this year. Oh, that is awesome.

Speaker 1: 14:36

I'm really, really excited about this. So I will have you in my interview there, absolutely.

Speaker 2: 14:43

Absolutely, we're going to do it, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1: 14:46

So why I'm asking you about some conventions? Because to stream or to upload on some fan signs or to be in the industry included much more than only to create some pics and video videos. It's also a huge business side. So there are also a lot of business conventions, like experts or something, or, yeah, practice there is a lot. So maybe it's also interesting for you, because a lot of girls don't know what's behind all the companies, who, who is behind all the companies?

Speaker 1: 15:24

and yeah I, um, I really like um also the panels on the experts or on the big conventions. It's really interesting when models shares the insights or company shares the insights yeah, it's really interesting. So last year Amsterdam there was no, it was two years ago. Last year it was so nice. Corey Silverstein, he's a lawyer from US. He was talking about AI and about, yeah, how to handle AI in the legal way, Because if some company create an AI copy of you and you don't have some paperwork about it, they can use you, so they can use you so they can use your.

Speaker 1: 16:15

Yeah, I they're so new, different and new steps or new paperwork you have to create, but also a lot of lawyers don't know to handle this. Also, if the AI model of you have another tattoo or whatever. Yeah, it's not exactly you, you know, it's really creepy is insane that is insane.

Speaker 2: 16:42

So I recently had a message on Instagram about that. Somebody asked me if I, if they can use my pictures for exactly that to create AI accounts.

Speaker 1: 16:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. You have to be really careful because if they in US, they have a lot of platforms where the fans are chatting with your AI model and they make the money.

Speaker 2: 17:07

Exactly exactly.

Speaker 1: 17:09

Yeah, I also have to go deeper into this topic.

Speaker 2: 17:14

Yeah, as great as AI is, I think it's also. It's such a huge topic Like there's so much to it that maybe we don't even think about yet.

Speaker 1: 17:24

Yeah, it is, the next generation will be more into AI, but we have to learn it. Yes, we are. Also, if you're working fun fact, I gave you in the last podcast episode the ai program um gptai from melrose michaels. Shout out to melrose michaels um this AI program to create some, yeah, clip descriptions or shooting outlines or ratings or, oh my god, everything.

Speaker 2: 18:05

This is crazy yeah, that program is so good, so it's it actually.

Speaker 1: 18:11

It sounds like have you checked it out?

Speaker 2: 18:14

that, yeah, so shout out to Melrose. That is amazing, like that's like what I've been waiting for, like I needed that oh my god, it was amazing.

Speaker 1: 18:25

I. I, because normally guys, normally AI, are not working for adult, so that was the problem. But if you like to have a good clip, description or whatever, oh my god, this is so nice. It's so nice, you can do anything with this program. It yeah, it's such a time saver too it is, yeah, but you have to learn to ask the right questions to get the right result.

Speaker 2: 18:56

Yes, yes, you have to learn it. You got to know exactly what to put in to get what you want.

Speaker 1: 19:06

I know. Also it was a funny fun fact. I was talking a lot with my girls about content organization and so I was into this AI and I was asking how I can organize my content.

Speaker 2: 19:25

Okay.

Speaker 1: 19:26

And then he told me well, the AI told me, you have to got the date, you have to the name, the language, the, the topic where you like to upload it, the price, the description.

Speaker 2: 19:37

It was so crazy yeah, yeah, but some really good tips really good.

Speaker 1: 19:44

But, um have, have we talked in the last episode about lialu? No, no, okay. Okay. So to Lia Lu, she's a longtime friend of mine. Fun fact, she was a big model in German and now she's working. She started then to work for an agency, then she started to work for another business partner, then she started to work for shout out to 4-4-Based and also for another company. She has a lot of experience in the industry from the model side and also the companies are searching for this experience. I can tell you because I was also working in sales for a long time.

Speaker 1: 20:40

But she started with a sheet and on the sheet, a Google sheet. She had exactly what the AI told me. It was crazy. She make it with different colors and you can click on something and then comes a pop up and you can choose from the pop up or it's English or German, or it's a boy girl clip, it's a solo video. This is this. It was amazing. I like to have a. Yeah, so, girls, if you like to know how to organize the content, yeah, you should contact Lea Lu on Instagram. She will be really happy. No, but also, I was in a long, long time podcast, long time, a really long podcast with Brittany Andrews. She's signed three decades in this industry and she knows a lot and she's also exactly organizing her content like Lea Lou. So if you'd like to know more about it, just hear the last podcast with Brittany Andrews. It's episode. It's in the season two. It's in the episode two. It's in the episode two. Yes, correct, okay.

Speaker 2: 21:57

I think it's so important to have your content organized.

Speaker 1: 22:01

It is yeah it's your money in the future it is.

Speaker 2: 22:05

It is if you chatting and you you gotta know exactly where this video with this topic and that you gotta it needs to be like yeah, or if you like to work, or if you like to work with other people.

Speaker 1: 22:17

Yeah, yeah. So, for example, um, yeah, okay, you like to work with an agency or you have a chat or whatever. Um, it's really good to know, um that you have everything sorted in your sheet or organized, at least, in your data.

Speaker 2: 22:39

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 22:41

Yeah, okay, but also you need a team for your content organization. Yes, brittany Andrews, have only a team for content organization. It's really nice. That's crazy. Oh my God, my god, yeah oh, I wish I would have one yeah, the thing is, um, you have, if you, if you hire someone to um work for you, you have to show them everything. They can be only so good how you learned them, you know exactly yeah, yeah, okay, um, so let us talk a little bit more about because I saw you started on x, right?

Speaker 1: 23:30

yes yes, but your account is not so big. So, um, what is it for you? Is it um it's easy to grow, or, yeah, to grow an ex, or it's not so easy?

Speaker 2: 23:47

um, I don't think it's so easy.

Speaker 1: 23:53

No.

Speaker 2: 23:54

No, but I mean, also, I have this account. I think I created this account back in 2022. And then I had good views and everything. And then you know, there was the time and I didn't have any more time to put into it. So now I'm starting to like reactivate this account and I think that is very hard. So I don't know if it's better to just make a new one or put more time into this one.

Speaker 1: 24:19

No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I can tell you I'm now on 170k, I think so. Um, and I was long time I think for two years inactive, so just start again to post, post, post. The best is to post three or four times per day.

Speaker 2: 24:37

Okay.

Speaker 1: 24:39

And just be consistent, and then it will work out.

Speaker 2: 24:43

Okay, yeah, I'll do that.

Speaker 1: 24:45

Yeah, x also. X is a platform. You can do a lot of research about X eggs. So if you like to know what's allowed on the platform, what's not allowed, what, what you should do, what should you better not do also watch some youtube videos. I started also to watch some youtube videos about eggs because I was um. So two years ago I was at 162K and I wasn't growing anymore and I was thinking what was wrong? Yeah, I have to clean my account. I have to clean anything. I have to clean all the comments, all interaction, and then find out about YouTube why it's like this. And it was really interesting. I think I sent you the link also, right?

Speaker 1: 25:32

Yeah, you did yeah, yeah about the uh don't do, don't do it, or yeah, yeah, the do's and don'ts do's and don'ts. Oh my god, if I will be in Miami next time, how should I talk there?

Speaker 1: 25:51

I'll go with you, hopefully yeah, okay, um, so I think x is right now also a really good um way to bring some traffic, but also there's another way to bring good traffic. So, um, model searcher is an Android-friendly social media platform with tons of traffic on their platform. So if you like to check it out, it's modelsearchercom. I also have a lot of profiles. I link it to a lot of profiles from Model Searcher. Yeah, it's for free.

Speaker 1: 26:38

Traffic for free. We all need traffic for free. You all do yeah, we all do um, and you can get bunt or something.

Speaker 2: 26:44

So it's really okay, I gotta check them out.

Speaker 1: 26:47

Yeah, you sure do I have also some profiles, but you have to be really active with posting, like everywhere.

Speaker 2: 26:55

Yeah. But, yeah, that's everywhere.

Speaker 1: 26:58

But yeah, but, but you can schedule.

Speaker 2: 27:00

So yeah, that's easy.

Speaker 1: 27:02

That's easy.

Speaker 2: 27:05

Ok, Hayley, tell us more about your plans for the future well, I'm definitely gonna be more active again on all my platforms, um, but, like I said, 4base is the main platform, so I think 4BASE is also working with model searchers, so yeah, perfect, so perfect. Definitely gonna keep going on there. Um also planning on starting to stream very soon really where um. So I have an eye on strip chat and chetra bait nice yeah did you contact the um girl?

Speaker 1: 27:48

I sent you, I did I did and and she will be. So no, she hasn't yet oh, I have to call her okay, I have to call her. Um, yeah, because, um, if you like to start on a big platform girls, it's really good if you have some model there or someone there who is helping you, that you know everything how it's working, and so on.

Speaker 2: 28:13

Yeah but she has a baby but she has a baby.

Speaker 1: 28:16

That's maybe why oh, okay, yeah yeah, I totally understand that but there's what why you like to start streaming?

Speaker 2: 28:25

why did I decide to start? Um, I think it's just another way to reach more people, because there's always the people that you know they kind of like to be at home and watch videos and do it all for themselves in a closed room or whatever. And then you have the people that that's not enough for them. They want to see what you do in that moment. So I think those people are not going to buy my tapes because they're not interested in that.

Speaker 1: 28:58

They want to see me live.

Speaker 2: 29:01

So I think it's just another really good way to grow my business and also to bring more traffic to my sites.

Speaker 1: 29:13

Yeah, strip chat and chat web have tons of traffic yeah yeah, I was a long time, I streamed a long time, but it's really um time intensive yeah so yeah, yeah, um I'm. I can tell you um I'm. I was a long time exclusive on a German big streaming platform, but I can tell you, you have to be all the time online, or often, and I really enjoy the fan platforms where you can only chatting or upload pics and videos. You don't have to be sit in front of a camera.

Speaker 2: 29:58

I really really really, really enjoyed it. Yeah, like I said, my platforms they're gonna stay my main focus and then the stream will be I don't know, maybe maybe twice, three times a week, just to have a little extra and not just the platforms yeah, and also, I think, strip chat have a really nice affiliate program yeah, yeah, they do you can also can, if you like, you can create a white label yeah and I think it's also really nice.

Speaker 1: 30:26

Um, just, lucy is really big in streaming there. She's also from germany and yeah, but you have to be so often online yeah but for traffic it's really good absolutely yeah okay, um hayley, um what do you think um is changing in the future in the industry?

Speaker 2: 30:51

um, I think that platform I'm not saying Pornhub will ever disappear, but I think it's going to be more focused on these platforms where you can actually talk to the models and I think the, let's say, the old school porn videos I think they're going to disappear. Videos, um, I think they're gonna disappear. Yeah, I don't think there will be the professional filming. It's all your, your home tapes and you know your girl next door, kind of thing what do you think are the users like the most?

Speaker 1: 31:29

ai content or real content? Oh, real content yeah I think this will be really rare in the future because a lot of girls already create their content with ai absolutely.

Speaker 2: 31:42

There's all these instagram profiles oh my god hundreds of thousands of followers, and it's this, this, you know this perfect girl she got like that perfect body. She got the big tits, the long big hair, whatever. And I imagine there's some nerds sitting behind the desk and all these guys are fucking drooling over excuse my language, drooling over this, ai girl, and I'm like it's not real, like y'all, like the not real stuff but I I think that's just for a time yeah as so I think it's it's because it's a hype.

Speaker 1: 32:25

Now it's like a trend yeah but I think in the future it will be.

Speaker 2: 32:30

Yeah, it will be some special if you can chat with a real girl yeah, yeah, and I think also that I get a lot of requests for custom content, and that's something that you can't get everywhere. You can google every film that you like to see, but is that always exactly what you want?

Speaker 1: 32:56

Correct.

Speaker 2: 32:57

Because my my fans. They love to message me and say hey Haley, I want a video 10 minutes long, this and this and this and this this is very important to me with the recipe creative and I create exactly that video so they get everything that they want in one video.

Speaker 1: 33:15

And how? How long do you? How long it takes that you create the videos? So maybe, if they, if they requested, maybe on Monday, how long did it take?

Speaker 2: 33:32

Usually it takes like two to three days. If I have a spot available, it could be also the next day. It always depends on what kind of video it is and how long.

Speaker 1: 33:43

But I'm trying to, because this is really interesting. If you do it really fast, they will come so often to you.

Speaker 2: 33:50

Oh, yeah, yeah, because they get it like super. Nobody likes waiting for stuff. We all know you order something and you want it the next day. If you have to wait three, four days, nobody likes that, nobody likes waiting, especially not if you're excited about something.

Speaker 1: 34:08

Correct. Yeah, that's also really interesting. Are you only working with customs or are you also doing some ratings? What's the most requested thing?

Speaker 2: 34:23

The most requested thing are the custom videos, and that's anything, even sex tapes, joys, I film a lot.

Speaker 1: 34:47

Custom pictures is a big request lately, oh really, yeah, yeah, it's more and more. This is interesting because I get the first time request for custom pics.

Speaker 2: 34:59

Really Okay.

Speaker 1: 35:03

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 35:04

Yeah, no, lately it's getting more.

Speaker 1: 35:09

Interesting.

Speaker 2: 35:10

I love filming custom videos.

Speaker 1: 35:12

Maybe it's a platform. So, guys, if you like to get your costumes really fast, check out Hayley's profile.

Speaker 2: 35:22

Yeah, just message me.

Speaker 1: 35:24

Yeah, it's Hayley, summer, right. Yeah, everything together or with them.

Speaker 2: 35:30

It is all together, I think. Let me just check, because with all these platforms, platforms, sometimes I don't know, I know, oh my god so, hey guys, can you see that?

Speaker 1: 35:47

okay, okay, okay underscore. Is it right, hayley, underscore summer okay yeah, hayley, if a girl like to start in our industry, do you have any tips for this girl?

Speaker 2: 36:05

Um, have fun. That, I think, is the most important thing. Um, do what you want. Don't feel forced into anything. You don't have to do anything. Forced into anything, you don't have to do anything. Really good point. Yeah, do do what you want, be consistent, make sure you have good quality instead of quantity, and um yeah, just start like sometimes don't overthink stuff, just just do it.

Speaker 1: 36:33

Oh yeah, that's the best advice ever, because I'm also like this I don't think too much, I just started yeah, sometimes I should probably think about some things a little bit more, but and I have also good advice, girls, for you if you like to start in the industry, think about if you like to show your face or if you like to be with a mask or like to be like a no face girl, because also these girls make tons of money yeah, you don't have to show your face no, you don't have to yeah, and be open with your family, don't I feel like always a lot of they make kind of a secret out of it and be open.

Speaker 2: 37:19

If it's your family, they understand.

Speaker 1: 37:22

They will understand, correct.

Speaker 2: 37:23

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 37:24

Okay, kelly, thank you so much for your time.

Speaker 2: 37:29

You are welcome, thank you.

Speaker 1: 37:31

This was really interesting.

Speaker 2: 37:34

Absolutely.

Speaker 1: 37:34

Also also the leak topic. I think I will talk more about leaks in the future because, yeah, with the new technology, um yeah, there are some ways to protect your content oh, you have to.

Speaker 2: 37:50

You have to protect your content really important thing yeah, that's. That's your money out there, so you don't want it to be just floating around the internet yeah, correct.

Speaker 1: 38:02

Hey, lee, thank you so much, you're welcome I. I hope I will meet you in berlin absolutely really nice. Have a great day and thank you for your time thank you, okay, bye, bye, bye.