Speaker 1: 0:07

Welcome to a new episode of the Sisters in Cash podcast. The Sisters in Cash podcast is featured by ModelSearchercom, your adult-friendly social media platform, and for based. So today, as my guest, I'm so happy because we unfortunately didn't make it on Venus. Venus is already a few months ago, but we're both always very busy. This is Hayley. Hayley, would you like to introduce yourself completely? What is your name on your socials? What are your platforms? What are you so focused on that people get such a little insight from you? Vorstellen, wie heißt auf den socials, was sind deine plattform? Worauf bist du fokussiert, dass die leute so einen kleinen einblick von dir bekommen?

Speaker 2: 0:49

ja, also ich bin hayley und ja, ihr findet mich auf etlichen plattformen auf instagram, auf 4based meine hauptplattform, malum can find me on Bestfans. And, yes, I still have a Telekom channel.

Speaker 1: 1:09

And on Instagram and Forbaced and so on, you're called Hayley Summer. Right, Exactly All written together.

Speaker 2: 1:19

There's always a line in between that varies from platform to platform.

Speaker 1: 1:23

Whether the name is already given.

Speaker 2: 1:27

Exactly between. That varies from platform to platform if the name is already given exactly. But I think if you just enter hailey summer everywhere, yes, you will find me quite easy by chance. Just always at google, everything comes very good, very good.

Speaker 1: 1:36

Oh, that immediately brings me to a good topic, but I'll start at the beginning. How longley, how long have you been doing this?

Speaker 2: 1:44

I've been a content creator since 2020, and since 2022 I've been doing this mainly professionally.

Speaker 1: 1:59

Okay, so that means around five years. We're almost the same age, but you are still a different generation than me. I've been with you for almost 15 years now. What I find super interesting because I come from this typical old German niche and with you everything is a little different. You started with fan platforms. Is that right? Exactly, exactly. There was nothing like that before, and that's why you set up your social media, exactly Okay. That means you see everything differently than the girls I say who who now, 20 years ago or 15 years ago or whenever they started, where there were only three or four German platforms, and so that's why it's super interesting for the models to just hear how you have grown your fan page or your fan page.

Speaker 1: 3:00

Where do you bring the traffic? Do you shoot? Because that is, of course, before you completely shot these high end films, because you have pre-produced for a month in between, a few pictures and that's it. There were no fan pages, there was just cam or video platform. Something else there was not. Now is my question is you said you are on 4BASE, which is a German platform. Can you tell us why you have 4BASE and not UniFence?

Speaker 2: 3:41

I think 4BASE is easy to design, but it still doesn't lack any functions. You have a huge range. It's a German platform right now. I'm currently in Germany. Of course it fits perfectly and I think there's great support on the platform. If you have a problem with something or you need something, for example, just write to the support. The answers are probably even in the next hour.

Speaker 1: 4:13

It's mega so it's really cool and you have what many platforms don't have or what, for example, unifans doesn't have a lot of internal traffic. Is that right, exactly?

Speaker 2: 4:24

Yeah, exactly so. There's also 4Based. Yes, like a 4U page or like this, what is it called? On Instagram, there is also this overview and there are also new models, then pre-published. Exactly the same is also available at 4Based, and whoever is regularly active and posts a lot, he always slides up in this search and then really always up when you have posted and the whole newsletter is shown.

Speaker 1: 4:55

You're talking about something very good. You said who posts a lot? How often should you post on the day?

Speaker 2: 5:01

I wouldn't have less than three posts a day.

Speaker 1: 5:04

Do you have certain times when you post?

Speaker 2: 5:09

I had specific times at the very beginning. I then always moved them a little bit an hour before or back. In the meantime I just post. I don't want to say without choice, but I don't have fixed times anymore. I do it so that I sit down every Sunday and plan every platform for the whole week, so that I don't have to deal with postings all day because there's just too much going on in the chat. And maybe every three, four, maybe even five hours I would definitely post a post.

Speaker 1: 5:39

jeden fall post raus haben super interessant, weil wir auch die mädels von früher, die kinders, halt gar nicht mit so oft am tag posten. Deswegen ist das ich sehe das halt so von beiden seiten, und das ist ja sehr interessant ist von for bass für dich nur eine in anführungsstrichen foto plattform oder auch video platform?

Speaker 2: 6:04

Also video platform. Yes, that means everything.

Speaker 1: 6:08

So you send messages or post videos on the feed.

Speaker 2: 6:14

So the feed is a bit divided. There is once the I say the free feed, where you can then also post your pay per view videos and also pictures. And then there is the other side, that is the subscription area. There I post only pictures, not all videos, but always a few video clips, and in the profile you can find everything to unlock pictures, videos, clips. My voice is there, and the same thing I do also in the messages there. I course you can also send out mass messages, I think even four a day, and you can plan now right, exactly, and planning is completely new. It's a really cool function.

Speaker 2: 6:54

It makes things a lot easier. And, yes, I would always just send out mass messages very often, not too many. Sometimes the user is a bit irritated when so many messages come in from one girl. It's just an enormous volume of messages. How often do you send out? Sometimes even only once a day, but I would really send out a mass message every day.

Speaker 1: 7:23

Then 4Base has something special. I have to cut this topic right at the beginning, because so far there are only the old-fashioned, say, cam platforms or the global cam platforms. But for fan platforms it is actually always quite limited to one year or does it not exist at all. And of course, if you bring models, logically you always get a ref link. That is logical. But at for base it is also the case when you bring users. You earn your lifetime with the users, right, exactly, can you say a?

Speaker 2: 8:05

little more. So you have your referral link and, of course, everyone can sign up, whether you are a creator or a user to each model, or yes, who signs up via your link?

Speaker 1: 8:16

of course you earn money with it, and the good thing is at 4BASE, you don't need three different links, you don't need an external page, you just have your profile link and over this profile link. So simple. You use it anyway, no matter where you embed it Exactly exactly. Exactly. I think that's so great. No matter where you put it, you earn money from it.

Speaker 2: 8:41

Yes, exactly so. It's the same link. You can use it to get people to your profile, to the registration page or to the start page, but no matter which one you choose, it's just the same link and if someone signs up for it, it's your user or your creator.

Speaker 1: 8:58

For me it was like this you always needed, for example from I don't know an old German website, then you always had to register in the webmaster program and so on. So it was so complicated. And I think that's so great at 4Base and let's be, honest. For every user you bring, you earn with it.

Speaker 2: 9:18

Yes, and it doesn't matter where the user ultimately buys, whether it's with you or with any other model, you just earn with it.

Speaker 1: 9:24

Yes, and above all, let's be honest there are women who earn more with it than with their own profile. Yes, that's true. So, yes, I am so I think that's totally fascinating. It doesn't even exist like that. Yes, it makes everything super easy, and without it, I think, does 4BASE. I'm not saying that because it's my sponsor, but they do a lot for the models, for example, what they always send out for awesome clothes. I don't know, I always know these cheap things from the platform, but they give themselves so much effort I think it's totally great.

Speaker 2: 10:02

Yeah, we had a super cute Christmas outfit for Christmas Me too. The earrings were so cute. They were just Christmas balls. It's not a shit what you get there. They really have a quality. It's not 100%.

Speaker 1: 10:17

I'll tell you.

Speaker 2: 10:19

You have the hoodie.

Speaker 1: 10:21

I'll tell you, as a co-worker I didn't get such a great quality. You just have to say so, unfortunately. I've already told Uwe and Susanna she's the good fairy, Especially as far as that or model care is concerned. As always, I say what kind of quality is?

Speaker 2: 10:41

that.

Speaker 1: 10:42

I also have to ask if she can still do things for me for a podcast.

Speaker 2: 10:46

Yes, I would like to take that too.

Speaker 1: 10:50

Yes, definitely great. Okay, then let's get to the next point. You said so. I know that with you. We have already talked a little bit before what will be super interesting for the models. So you have to know, I founded the podcast in Germany. So in America it is like this All models work, many work together. There are groups, they exchange tips and tricks together, also on social media. It's not like that on every market, only in Germany. And then I just thought, because I've been in the scene for a really long time, you have to somehow. You know, we all go a long way when you share the tips and tricks a little bit and everyone has a different special area and you always have to be this beastie. And there are so many stories, it doesn't matter in any case. In any case, I could actually do an episode where I just blow out of the sewing box. I think that would be quite funny too.

Speaker 2: 11:46

Oh awesome, do that please.

Speaker 1: 11:49

Yes, but in any case, I thought how can the models learn from each other? I said, okay, let's do a podcast, because you're much closer to the models. We can all talk a little bit about social media and the new algorithms or tips and tricks or things that only agencies know. You can share a little bit. Can you share a little bit? And with you it's the special thing you bring your traffic for 4BASE not only from Instagram, but only to a small part, not over X, not over TikTok, but from Reddit. I know the whole thing now in this style, so that you really focus on it only from the American market. Although Reddit has a lot of traffic, many can't do that at all. Can you tell us a little bit about what you want to share, of course? How did you get to that? How did you get into it? What, if you want to share? What should you pay attention to? Just cut a little bit so that the models get a little bit of an idea. Reddit, what is that?

Speaker 2: 12:58

Yes, so for me, how did I get to Reddit? So I have, before I started, or when I I say, my platform, my whole account I have created. Of course, I have 10,000, there is everything on YouTube, natürlich 10.000. Wenn man jetzt gibt ja alles bei youtube videos angeschaut, ja, auf was man achten muss, welche, welche plattformen gut sind für traffic. Und hast du nicht gesehen? Also ich habe wirklich das erstmalig sag mal lernen müssen, was man überhaupt so macht. Ich hatte gar keine ahnung. Ich bin nicht belesen oder youtube videos geschaut, beides, beides. Also ich habe ganz viele blogbeiträge gelesen, youtube videos geschaut, das eine oder andere model angeschrieben, aber videos.

Speaker 2: 13:31

I have read, a lot of blog posts watched YouTube videos, wrote down one or the other model, but you don't get an answer. So I said, okay, on my own, you just have to watch videos. And there was a video, where it was said very explicitly, that all platforms are somehow good for range, but if you really want to have traffic, then you have to deal with Reddit. I know that irgendwie gut für Reichweite, aber wenn ihr wirklich Traffic haben wollt, dann müsst ihr euch mit Reddit befassen. Ich weiß, es ist für ganz viele so ein richtig rotes Tuch. Die kommen auch nicht mit Reddit klar. Es ist auch wirklich kompliziert. Ich selber kann es auch nicht. Ich bin sehr glücklich, dass ich da jemanden habe, der das Ganze für mich handelt und da wirklich nur einmal am Tag postet, mit a picture and a link to my Forbaste. And, yes, there are really a lot of people coming.

Speaker 1: 14:20

You also have to have certain groups on Reddit or you have to know the groups. For each group there is a separate rule, otherwise you are banned. I think for the group.

Speaker 2: 14:28

Yes, exactly. So if you just go into the search, no idea, german amateurs or German you can also only include OnlyFans. There will be so many groups suggested. You can also go into these groups. You just can't post anything. So you have to quasi for each group re-verify. You have to quasi imagine that everything is one page, reddit, but there are many sub-sites that work like a separate platform. Most people have to write a note, a name or a peace sign or something, so that they know that that's really the person, and only then can you post there. But that just really brings something. I think it's great.

Speaker 1: 15:21

I think it's great because many so I was. I worked with sales myself for a long time and I had a lot of models also big Dutch models, us models, german models with whom I worked, and everyone has such different paths. That was super interesting. So not just like the Germans, instagram and Twitter, but many were also so heavily focused on TikTok. Only. Many don't understand you're not allowed to do anything in a bikini on TikTok. Sometimes it's okay, but build the whole account on bikini is a bit stupid. So I made the experience. That's why I thought to myself back then how can I stay on instagram and tik tok and so relatively safe? So where can I? Because I have a pretty big head, where can I actually follow my daily routine and still show something? And so I came to this fitness track. Yes, yes, it went quite well. But then it was a bit out of order for me that I only had the bodybuilders on my profile. So a bodybuilder many of them also don't have money.

Speaker 2: 16:26

What do I have on my profile?

Speaker 1: 16:31

Was then a bit. Yes, I'm now. The problem is, you're only still being played out by the athletes. I did it, so I really did it from my hardcore Instagram account to change that, but the account doesn't grow anymore Because, let's be honest, how does the account grow Best with free-due pictures? Yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 16:49

It was just a bit stupid. I switched back'm back after years the switch from fitness and went very quickly, funnily enough. So even if I now go into my feed, I see now only pretty girls. Before I was really just a sportsman. So it definitely worked out with the algorithm, yes, but, as I said, I think it's super interesting. I had already talked about US SIM cards for TikTok with the Roxy X from Amsterdam, so everyone has their own special means and ways, and I think it's actually quite nice, especially if you can share a lot globally.

Speaker 1: 17:30

The Americans are now going a lot on Snapchat again. I don't know why they do that, so I've only been able to notice for two or three months that they hardcore all apply for Snapchat. Yes, to be honest, I haven't found it out yet. Why do they do that? Because Snapchat has, so you can't leave any links behind. Snapchat is really crazy, yes, but I've seen a lot of agencies. So because I, when I'm at my Snapchat, a lot of women come with feet with hands Okay, with feet with hands, like that and I go to their profile. There's no link and I think what? Yeah, well, how do they do that? You know, I haven't found out yet this is something modern again. I also talked about it with my friends yesterday. Many also talk about really normal profiles on Instagram and TikTok traffic because they switch apps. Okay.

Speaker 2: 18:27

But you need a really good profile for that.

Speaker 1: 18:30

Yes, yes, that's why it's.

Speaker 2: 18:33

I've done the look-out. That might give you a little bit of a swing, but that's nothing in the long run, so I think it didn't pay off for me. There are certainly a lot of nicer profiles on Instagram, but yes, I think it doesn't pay off for me. Did you have to buy advertising?

Speaker 1: 18:49

afterwards. So did you notice when you stopped? Did the account go down? Yes, totally.

Speaker 2: 18:58

It was like this, and then the ad came, and then it went back.

Speaker 1: 19:05

So you have a money out of it. Did you come out of the hole again, or has it stay that way?

Speaker 2: 19:14

It's not the same as before, but it's a bit.

Speaker 1: 19:18

yes, because they say if you try something like that, you should never do it with your main account but with a small account, Because you really have to stay there to buy advertising. Yes of course, of course, a business so is a business.

Speaker 2: 19:36

Yes, I did it with my main account, and so I would definitely not do that again good to know.

Speaker 1: 19:43

Good to know, then many. I also observe the americans. So now we come to the topic where I have talked about it often. You have also asked me now. So I'm so I'm a little different there because of my job back then, so that I also later with an American, or I was exclusive for an American company. I was test monitor for Germany. I was allowed to learn a lot there.

Speaker 1: 20:05

I completely slipped into this US bubble somehow, yes, and I watch the Americans. The Americans have it's like this with them. We have super many Instagram accounts five, six, seven pieces and bring their traffic from there. But they manage to pull them all up. They film, for example, one reel from four different perspectives with three, four, five cell phones. So that's really intense. Yes, yes, because you, even if you rework them and so they have completely different metadata, but if you put three cell phones next to each other and it's still the same angle, you have three different Instagram accounts on three different phones, three different accounts on three different phones. That works.

Speaker 1: 20:53

And I went into this line a little more in because I wanted to know hey, how does that work? Just like TikTok. And that's where I came across Mary D. I think Mary D is really great. So again for you girls, there have already been so many people asking me.

Speaker 1: 21:08

Mary D started back then. I don't know if she's still so active there, but she's, for example, one that that no German would have ever done. She has a Fansly account and has made a creator blog out of it. I say, for 14 or 19 dollars a month. She also said if you subscribe and so on I tried it all out Then I follow you on X and share you once at X, and so on. She did all of that here too. It's super nice. I was able to talk to the one to one, and she's really big and she earns a lot of money. She also made YouTube videos for it. She makes her two, three hundred thousand a month. So that's crazy. But she shared everything on Insights. She lost her TikTok accounts with a few million. What does she do? She put the whole writing traffic, hat die auf diesen creator blog gestellt, ja, und hat gesagt ihr müsst das so machen, ihr müsst das und das sagen beim support ihr müsst das, ihr müsst hartnäckig sein.

Speaker 1: 22:04

Genau das gleiche hat sie bei instagram gemacht. Die hat diese insider, hat sie geshared, die accounts zurückholen können. Also, ich bin so. Die hat ihre tipp menüs. Das muss dir vorstellen, das ist nie mal eine deutsche gemacht. Die hat ihre tipp menüs geshared. Die hat ihre tipp. I am so. She has her tip menus. You have to imagine, no German has ever done that. She has shared her tip menus. She has written down her tip menus. She also said she has a free trial for everyone who was on her blog on her Mary D blog. She has given out a free trial and you could go to her OF and see how she does it.

Speaker 1: 22:40

So really awesome a German would never do that, but she just understood it.

Speaker 2: 22:41

that's the way it is, and she also wrote here and you get a free one.

Speaker 1: 22:47

She also sent you a free video.

Speaker 1: 22:50

When you say I'm from Fensley and so she sent you that. She explained everything. How do they shoot? What do they use to shoot? How often do they shoot? How many assistants she built that up over time. How many assistants do I have? How did I find my niche? How do I build my OF? How did I build my TikTok? How do I find new ideas? And she has, I think, two or three children. Her husband shoots with her but has a normal job, so totally awesome. I think it's totally so.

Speaker 1: 23:21

If you, as I said, want to learn something that's at Fansly, you just have to do a little research yourself. I mean, it's not that hard to enter that at Google. There you just give a Fansly Mary D, so Mary, like Marie, and then D, I think, d-e-e, a fanzine mary d and then so mary, so like marie, and then I think you can also follow dee on tiktok or on instagram. But what they are for, so that's crazy. What they have given out in insights I have never experienced just like in their youtube videos. Now they can't do it anymore because it has really grown, but everyone can really take a look at it is just super interesting.

Speaker 1: 23:57

So because she also started afterwards and I think that's also great. She started like that. She took the girls on her youtube trip so she then tried out what a lot of amis do youtube try on, try on hall. So that also makes these I don't even know anymore, these red-ha does I don't even know her name anymore, this red-haired one I don't know. But she shared her insights. That was so awesome. There are so many different ways to bring traffic and not just what the Germans know. You have to sit down, you have to do research. That's what most people don't do. We already have Google. We can.

Speaker 2: 24:36

Google.

Speaker 1: 24:37

We can look, you know.

Speaker 2: 24:40

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.

Speaker 1: 24:46

And you know you never learn, so you can't do everything.

Speaker 2: 24:47

There's always something that you can change Exactly what I don't understand.

Speaker 1: 24:49

That's also what many of the old guys in Germany do. I don't understand so viele von der alten Garde von Deutschland verstehe ich auch nicht. Ey, die posten so viel Scheiße auf Instagram Und dann wird immer gemeldet ich habe Hater. Nein, girl, du hast keine Hater. Du hast keine Hater. Du hast dir nicht einmal die Richtlinien durchgelesen und du postest komplett das, was man nicht posten darf. Weißt du was ich meine? Das ist die AI. Da weiß ich halt nicht. Wenn du that's the AI, I don't know.

Speaker 1: 25:14

If you use a platform, whether it's Access or Instagram, if you don't understand English, translate it to German, make copy and paste. Take, for example, deepl. You can translate documents for a long time. Add that in and read it through. Then you know what you can and what you can't. It's actually very simple. You just have to go with your head and be ready for something new, and most of them are not like that.

Speaker 1: 25:39

No, no, because, to be honest, mary D said that too. For example, let's take the age. She says her girlfriend was over 50, she started. They earn so much money. Yeah, you have to imagine that. I recently had a podcast with Brittany Andrews. She's been three decades now. She's still from the 90s. You have to imagine that.

Speaker 1: 25:57

I recently had a podcast with Brittany Andrews. She's been there for three decades. She's still in her nineties. You have to imagine that she's over 50, the woman looks like well, of course, op is logical, but that doesn't matter. But she is from her normal production presence where all these fan platformss came. They went back into business. Why? Because there is so much money there. But also the one who works completely with AI tools. She also has a team of over 30 people among themselves. The one is only for content organization. So that you can get an idea of what you do with 30 people. Some are only responsible for content organization, some are only responsible for their numbers, the others are only responsible for their appointments. Hey, that's so blatant and you have to learn from each of your employees, for example, filipinos, or something you have to learn.

Speaker 1: 27:11

Yes, yes, I also learn so much from it and that's so interesting for me. But that's not how the Germans are. Most Germans are not that far away.

Speaker 2: 27:19

They have a long time in their hands.

Speaker 1: 27:22

Oh yes, and we talked a long time about the topic of paperwork. So when you shoot with people, even if you don't shoot with people, or when you shoot with girls, especially on the American market, hey, that's not just the writing paper you need for a fan platform now. No, that's a lot more. You also have to make sure for the years afterwards, if you want to upload it somewhere else, you have to have everything finished by the lawyer. So these are really super interesting topics, especially with Brittany.

Speaker 1: 27:51

I can only recommend everyone to just listen in. It's just in English, but it is as it is. I think, english nowadays. You have already lived in America. I think English is simply, even if you don't. I was also pretty bad at English in school. Today I have a podcast in English. I worked for a US company for a long time and really spoke English daily, every day, but I also sat down for that in the evening school and did a few English verified certificates. I can't do this very high business English. I'm not in there to need lawyers, but I've already done three or four steps Of course you also learn it when you don't speak daily.

Speaker 1: 28:42

Yes, but, as I said, that's of course also for the models in Germany, when they have US users and so on. That's a good investment in the future.

Speaker 2: 28:52

In any case, in any, case Exactly. And now platform-independent independent in any case. You need English no matter what, so it would just be like that at some point that you will no longer be able to get around in English.

Speaker 1: 29:05

So even if you go to the conferences globally now, you just have to talk a little bit of business English. So I also have now last time, a panel on the Venus in English. I had to keep it, so I also found it. I thought that was weird, but okay, let them do it. Honestly, even I after years of English, so it's not going to be as perfect as yours, but I got into a struggle Because when there's an uproar and you talk about social media or something that's already.

Speaker 1: 29:33

Those are terms. Yes, that's something completely different than a normal conversation. Social media, or so you talk that?

Speaker 2: 29:35

is then already that are terms, yes, yes, that is something completely different from such a normal conversation yes, nice accent.

Speaker 1: 29:44

Yes, you can tell us a little bit so that the girls also. So the podcast is mostly from companies and from girls, that they just get an insight, especially for models who are also starting new. How you have timed your week a bit. How do you still manage many posts, many new pictures? How did you set up your shooting? Did you have one day just for pictures or one day just for videos? How do you still manage to go to the gym or have time for yourself? Maybe you can say something about that.

Speaker 2: 30:19

So the most important thing is really that you structure your whole week so you can't just say, oh, today I'll do this, tomorrow I'll do that, the day after tomorrow I'll do that. But really do it. Sit down on Sundays, make a plan and really write down exactly what you want to do. That has to be done this week, and then you look at how everything fits best. I don't know if you have a normal job or something In a day process.

Speaker 2: 30:45

Don't stop too much, because if it doesn't work out in the end, then you're in the end disappointed, you feel bad or whatever. But really just do a little bit every day, but that continuously. That brings a lot more than if little bit every day but continuously. That brings a lot more than if you say, one day I start shooting at six in the morning and then I make pictures and videos and in between I want to chat and I also have to plan the content. Then you're done in the evening and you haven't really made everything effective. So that doesn't really make any sense. Just make a plan and do a little bit every day and just really, really really pull through. Not after a week say, oh all shit, I'll do it again, but really just try it out. That brings so much more.

Speaker 1: 31:28

Do you also have a real shooting outline? For example, I learned a lot from Mary Rose Michaels back then. Shout out to Melrose Michaels. She had a shooting online for an hour. She did it like this I know what I have to shoot. It was written in the iPhone notes what do I need to hook up? And there was, among other things, picture, for example. That's a complete outro. First picture for Instagram, real for Instagram Picture for the story. Then came X, which is a bit more free-flowing. Then it started with a soft show that is teaser for one, two, three minutes, which are cut, but also the explicit pictures of the platform. That means really with the look. Is this content Shooting outline has taken place. Do you have something like that?

Speaker 2: 32:23

Yes, so if you just take one day as an example where I shoot, then I get up in the morning and then use this Get Ready With Me just a little bit as a clip as I, for example, drop the padded coat. I really film that in between, and when I start I lay down, I know beforehand, I have my exact plan in my head, what kind of pictures I want to shoot, which outfit, and usually I lay down everything in advance so that I can only take it in the morning and start shooting.

Speaker 1: 32:55

Oh, that's how it is. You lay, take it in the morning and can start shooting, and so that's how it is.

Speaker 2: 32:56

Yes, you put it in the evening yes, yes, because in the morning sometimes that's too stressful for me and I have to be such a person. I have to start. Something must already be sorted in my head. That must be exactly structured, and when the things are already there, then you know okay, I have now had breakfast, I have coffee, I can now start, and I don't have to look for the outfit first. Then maybe I'm missing a little shirt here. I didn't find the bra or a choker or no idea what something is missing.

Speaker 2: 33:27

Then just always, and then it throws it all the day again. Then it starts in chaos and that usually doesn't help. I just put everything out and then I start shooting and between the outfits changing. When I'm completely naked, then I use this time again to quickly shoot a few nudes and then the next outfit. Or I combine things. When I have boots on, I just put on the boots and leave the outfit. I combine things. If I have boots on, I just leave the boots on and leave the outfit. When I'm filming a video, I always use it to make pictures In the different positions in which you are. You can snap a few pictures in between. So really use the time effectively and really just connect things together, and then you can do a lot in a very short time.

Speaker 1: 34:24

Can I ask what you use for shooting? So probably the iPhone, right?

Speaker 2: 34:28

No, I actually don't have an iPhone or a cell phone or a. Yes, I have a Google Pixel and I think it makes very good pictures and also for videos. I always just use the mobile phone. The selfie camera is great on the mobile phone.

Speaker 1: 34:45

Did you buy the mobile phone because of the shooting?

Speaker 2: 34:50

Yes.

Speaker 1: 34:51

Crazy.

Speaker 2: 34:53

And you're going to hate me, all hate me. I don't like Apple. I'm such an Android person.

Speaker 1: 35:02

Does Google belong to Android?

Speaker 2: 35:04

Yes, yes.

Speaker 1: 35:07

Aha, all right, so it has the Android system Exactly. I've heard that this Google Pixel should have one of the best cameras.

Speaker 2: 35:16

Yes, so's really good. Even if the light isn't ideal, this phone still catches the light that's there and uses it. It's really good.

Speaker 1: 35:31

Sure, I have all kinds of ring lights such a clip light Exactly that would be the next thing you probably work with ring lights. Such a clip light, exactly that would be the next thing. You probably work normally with ring lights.

Speaker 2: 35:38

Yes, but very rarely, because I just don't like this light at all, I think that always throws some strange shadows. You always look so strange from the skin, yes, or the pictures become somehow like that. Do you know that, when they become so grisly?

Speaker 1: 35:51

Yes, so very strange, so corny, so you work with daylight?

Speaker 2: 35:55

Yes, I have a huge front here at the house that's just glass, and there really seems to be the sweet side. The sun only shines in all day long when she's there. So it's actually always light-influenced in the apartment.

Speaker 1: 36:17

Great. Do you also have a selfie clicker or do you do it all with triggers? No, I have a small clicker that I use. Hey, to be honest, they never connect. Then they lose the connection again, then it doesn't work again. Hey, that annoys me so much.

Speaker 2: 36:31

Yeah, I also do all my vacation videos. I don't know. You've probably seen them on my account, the ones in the pool or something. I also have them all with such a clicker. I have one like that you can use it underwater.

Speaker 1: 36:44

Hey, can you?

Speaker 2: 36:45

send me that later.

Speaker 1: 36:46

Yes, I'll do it, Because that's exactly what I mean. You know, you don't stomp on such things but it's super helpful. Do you just take your tripod with you to the pool?

Speaker 2: 36:58

I sometimes even put it in the pole. That's my error. Yes, I do all my pictures alone. Super awesome tip, thank you. I have this shot exactly where I have to put my tripod and how.

Speaker 1: 37:16

I pose for it. I can't do that when someone takes a picture of me. No, I'll be like a legastheniker. I suddenly't do that when someone takes a picture of me. I can't.

Speaker 2: 37:20

I become like a legastheniker. I suddenly don't know what to do. I become stiff and totally I can't do it. I can't do it. I get so many requests.

Speaker 1: 37:34

I can't do it. I've always said, guys, I'm taking my pictures alone. I'm also different. I always think, people, I take my pictures alone. Yes, so to be honest, I'm also different there. I always think, hey, unless you have such a heavy shooting in the USA and do such a shooting tour, hey, do you know where to go? Either, if you still have to pay the photographer, yes, then hey, it's all. You never get the money out again and you can make much better pictures alone.

Speaker 2: 37:59

You are much more flexible, it's much faster and you don't pay any money and above all, I always have the feeling I have to explain to him first what I want and I don't feel like it.

Speaker 1: 38:11

You don't have time.

Speaker 2: 38:13

No, exactly, and it's not like I'd like it. It didn't exist yet. I know when I do exist, yet I know. So when I do it myself, I know exactly that's what I want and that's also the end product. I have.

Speaker 1: 38:26

I know, I know, super interesting, super Probably so. The iPhones are, I think, nowadays also all waterproof, right? Oh, I can't tell you that, I have to google it. It used to be full of hype that they were waterproof, but I think they are now. I have to google it. I think up to a certain meter, but interesting, what kind of tripod do you use? Just one from Amazon.

Speaker 2: 38:52

I have one from Amazon. I have it here. Show me. I love something like that. K&f concept is on it.

Speaker 1: 39:00

Show me that's all because I love it. K and F concept is on it. Show me please, or do you have something in there?

Speaker 2: 39:08

Yes, I put my camera on it.

Speaker 1: 39:11

Then it's not bad, I'll send it to you later.

Speaker 2: 39:15

I have so many.

Speaker 1: 39:16

I have a small one that I can put in, Then I have a bigger one Then can put in. I have a bigger one, a very large one.

Speaker 2: 39:22

Yes, so that's really cool. I think you can even make it up to 2.30 meters and you can completely swing your arm. Then you can turn this head. So you can do that in every way. I'll send you that.

Speaker 1: 39:31

That's exactly what you want from me.

Speaker 2: 39:33

Yes, I'll send it to you.

Speaker 1: 39:35

I need that and the clicker that we don't have I'll, yeah, yeah, nice, nice, nice. I still remember back then when I did exclusive cams. Oh, what did I try on lamps and what did I try on cameras. Until today I think the Brio is still the best for streaming.

Speaker 2: 39:55

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 39:56

Oh, now I'm just taking it. Now you can see I only have the normal Mac, but that's also because I'm usually never so finished somehow. But nowadays the Macs, they have really great, great cameras. Yes, yes, my love. What else did I want to discuss with you? I think that's first of all because you always have to be a little careful with the time. People don't want to listen to me afterwards Again. Very briefly, you were on Venus this year. Was that your first Venus?

Speaker 2: 40:30

That was the first as an exhibitor, as a creator.

Speaker 1: 40:34

Nice, you were for 4BASE then. Right, exactly, yes, I can also announce that this year it is that in case, the official minus podcast will be very cool. Before I already had a stand, which was really cool, but it was a bit complicated to get the model room back, and so now I think that's why it's a bit different with marketing. Now it's going to be a little wet with marketing.

Speaker 2: 40:59

It's going to be awesome, really cool Very cool.

Speaker 1: 41:02

Yes, it's going to be really cool and, as I said, but the podcast is global. I'm also looking forward to this year. We're going to the USA again. I'm looking forward to the podcast again. Yes, exactly, my love, that's actually been it. That was a lot of tips and tricks. If the models want to start models now, don't also give it a try? If you want to start with 4Based, you can gladly put Hayley on. Do you have an email or Instagram or what is your email.

Speaker 2: 41:39

Best, exactly, just write it down on Instagram. About Instagram, or yes?

Speaker 1: 41:41

that's the easiest. Okay, easy, and if you land in the spam order, just write a friendly comment, please, not with explicit words or something, Just. Hey, hayley, I sent you a DM. Can you please look inside as a comment under a picture or something, otherwise the answer also just feels like a story.

Speaker 2: 41:57

I always see that first unter ein Bild oder so, Ansonsten antwortet gefühlt auch einfach irgendwie auf eine Story. Das sehe ich immer am ehesten.

Speaker 1: 42:02

Genau. Dann schreibt einfach die Hayley an, die kann euch ein bisschen Hilfestellung geben. Dafür meldet ihr euch dann über Hayley's Link an. Also, es ist ein Geben und Nehmen. Ich werde dich auch noch mal hier unten verlinken, hayley, vielen, vielen, vielen lieben Dank. Ich danke dir Es vielen, vielen, vielen lieben Dank. Ich danke dir. Es war schön, dass wir die Zeit gefunden haben. Wir machen ja bald nochmal einen Podcast auf Englisch, da freue ich mich auch sehr drauf.

Speaker 1: 42:26

Ja, auf jeden Fall, und genau Kontaktdetails packe ich rein, und dann danke ich dir für deine Zeit. Ich danke dir, dankeschön.