Speaker 1: 0:12

So welcome to another episode of the Sisters in Cash podcast. This episode is featured by ModelSearchercom, your adult-friendly social media platform for based and fames. Today is my guest and I'm so happy about it because I missed her in Berlin because it was so much to do. I'm happy that she found time for me today. It's Miss Caitlin Brooks. Hello girl.

Speaker 2: 0:46

Hey, I'm so excited to be here. Berlin was definitely insane. There was so much going on, so many fans, so much business to be done. So I'm so glad that we're getting to catch up now and actually get to know each other a little bit. And I'm so happy because yeah other a little bit and I'm so happy because, yeah, english is your native language. It is English is fairly easy. For me, it's gonna be way easier, so everybody be nice.

Speaker 1: 1:15

It's also your stage here because you you're an ambassador for a model searcher, right?

Speaker 2: 1:24

I am. Model searcher has been fantastic. It's allowed me to leave a lot of those retweet groups, a lot of those crazy things that I was doing before to gain traffic. I'm able to just invest in my own ads on the pay side of that and then also really utilize that free traffic in a really super social media friendly way. It's.

Speaker 2: 1:47

I'm not scared I'm going to get deleted. I'm not scared that I'm going to, you know, not have a space to, you know, connect with all of my fans. So model searcher has been fantastic and if you guys are not already part of that network, you definitely should be. They have been doing, you know, traffic in our industry for 25 years already which is insane since the beginning of the internet, and now they finally have created a space for us as creators and models, to be able to really, you know, utilize that in a user-friendly way, which has been a long time needed with all of the shift in the cultures and things like that in adult in the last few years. So I'm very excited to be part of their team and to be here with you, you know, representing them yeah, and I'm so happy because we know each other now.

Speaker 1: 2:34

Since 2012 it's been a while also, you are also a model who was who was on the conferences like me. So, yeah, it's really interesting because you was also streaming like me for a long time, or you are streaming, I am.

Speaker 2: 2:52

I'm currently still streaming with StreamAid. It's been a pretty amazing journey there. I've been loyal to them since the beginning. I've dabbled in other campsites, kind of put my fingers other places, but I always come back to home. It's like my home on the internet really. So Streaming House my heart they do. I'm very excited to work with them and you know I train and recruit new models with them right now. So it's been it's been a really great journey.

Speaker 1: 3:18

Okay, and this brings me to the first point, to the, because we was talking a little bit before and I think it's so interesting what you will start now. Can you explain us a little bit? What are your plans? Next to an ambassador for, for model searcher, what? What are your plans?

Speaker 2: 3:42

well, this is actually really exciting to kind of talk about, because I haven't really voiced this publicly but it's been something I've been working on kind of behind the scenes for a really long time in my career. I think I've always been kind of amping up to go this direction. I just needed to kind of figure out the rest of the industry to get there. I've been working closely with Stream8 for a long time, obviously, and as I'm currently recruiting girls and learning the training process and how to onboard them really successfully and make them really great powerhouses on that platform, they kind of approached me. They're like girl, you could be doing a lot better if you opened a studio.

Speaker 2: 4:23

So through the last two years I've been really expanding my business connections, focusing a lot on networking at all of the conferences and the events to really build a strong network, to open that studio, a virtual studio, so that I can benefit women all over the world, not really lock them down to one of those in-person studios, to where they're checking in and checking out of work, but to really teach them how to set up their entire branding, to be a truly independent model, to rely on themselves, to be able to set their own work schedules, their own things, like that and just to be able to expand even outside of.

Speaker 2: 5:04

Like my studio, I want girls who are going to be powerhouses in the industry, you know, who are going to take over, because we need a lot more strong, amazing women taking over the world with us. I think that's that's. My passion is educating women on how to do that, how to be independent, how to grow themselves, and I think creating a studio space that gives that encouragement and that, you know, home base, that's going to, you know, support them, spreading their wings and flying through the whole industry will be, you know, a good change, a little bit of a different take on how it's been done.

Speaker 1: 5:42

Nice, so nice, it's been done. Nice, so nice, um. So this brings me to the next point, because it's really interesting. So you started also um on the other side of the industry. So like me too. So I started also five or six years ago to work for Central versus Unicorn for Germany, test monitor real, and after it I worked in sales for a fan platform. So yeah, we have some.

Speaker 2: 6:19

I kind of started so I worked. Surprisingly, what got me into adult is I used to work in a erotic heritage museum. I worked at a museum where I was exposed to, you know, kink and burlesque and just you know this whole different side of the world through erotic art, because it's the second largest erotic art museum after the Louvre. So it was really a great experience and it opened my eyes to a whole new world. And I started managing at a cam studio. I was in the office, I was, and that's when I started camming.

Speaker 2: 6:53

I mostly started camming to teach the other girls who were being. You know, way back before, camming was like you know the sensation that it is and you could do it at home in your bedroom so easily. So, way back before that I was actually helping girls. You know the sensation that it is and you could do it at home in your bedroom so easily. So, way back before that I was actually helping girls, you know, on board to streaming and you know, working in that studio, and so I saw the business side of it and I got to kind of see a little bit of that. But, you know, a couple years into that I eventually went wait a minute. I could be doing this myself, like I could be building my own identity in adult, my own platform, my own personality, and I started with Fancentro, growing my Snapchat in addition to my StreamAid platform.

Speaker 1: 7:32

My God, this was so nice times when Snapchat was working for Adol. Oh my God.

Speaker 2: 7:39

Those were the glory days. I loved it. And now I'm banned on Snapchat from three different devices, so no more.

Speaker 1: 7:49

Snapchat Fun fact, fun fact. The German girls don't know about all this. They don't know about all this. No, Girl it's yeah, so look, they don't know how to work with Snapchat, how to make money with Snapchat.

Speaker 2: 8:08

Back in the day we didn't have fan platforms. We didn't have a system set up for us to have people subscribe to us every month. You either were live streaming or you were shooting mainstream porn. There was no in between where you were an independent content creator. Like that didn't exist. You couldn't do it. There were the girls who were iconic in our industry for having their own websites and running their own streaming platforms. Essentially, that was mirroring some of the streaming. There are some iconic ones out there.

Speaker 1: 8:40

So look, look, look, when I I was on a German streaming platform, then I started as one of the I think also right now I was one of the girls who started on my free camps. It was crazy and I was in the top 10, but after me, after me, nobody was trying it, because in Germany you have per minute prices, not like tipping and gaming.

Speaker 2: 9:08

I was like that's how the Stream8 platform works. So on Stream8, it's a price per minute, so it's a little more of a premium experience versus the freemium sites like MFC and Chatterbay and StripChat and all of these other ones. So I kind of like the old school, and here it is. It comes from me being an old school streamer. Kind of like the old school, and here it is. It comes from me being an old school streamer. I like that old school one-on-one.

Speaker 1: 9:29

Oh, but Strip Chat. I still have so much fun. But Strip Chat, I know you like to push stream, but I can tell you, and you know it too, those Strip Chat have, wow, crazy traffic.

Speaker 2: 9:43

I was just about to say those voyeur shows have, wow, crazy traffic. I was just about to say those voyeur shows and those creative shows where you're not being a chameleon and doing those one-on-one sessions that are more kink-based, you definitely can have some fun there. I can't say that token-based sites don't have some cool features. I'm just, I'm a little old school, I like that one-on-one.

Speaker 1: 10:04

I know I was working a long time five years and an exclusive girl for live strip, so I know how it is.

Speaker 2: 10:10

Yeah, I just there's something about that one on one connection that you can't get in those big public rooms that, like I thrive on. But a lot of those girls who are running those big public rooms still offer this part where they can give this one on one because they're running these fan sites and, like I said, back in the day we didn't have those. So when I originally started streaming, the only way to really offer that really good one-on-one connection was one-on-one streaming. And now we have these fan sites, which is an epic evolution to like our, our cam community really, because now you can set your cell phone up in your bedroom, you can film content. If you can't go live and you know or struggle to be on camera, you know face to face. So it's like this whole other world opened up for creators and streamers to be able to, like you know, provide for themselves. But before we had that, we had snapchat, we had five seconds, I can tell you, I can tell you track.

Speaker 2: 11:07

We were before fan center. We were keeping track like writing down or keeping like a log. I know every single person who was subscribed to us and when their subscriptions expired fun fact.

Speaker 1: 11:19

I had a podcast with Tilly Toy and she was explaining to me. I love Tilly.

Speaker 2: 11:24

I love her.

Speaker 1: 11:25

She's a fantastic creator.

Speaker 2: 11:27

Yeah, you had to like, literally. I had a Google Docs spreadsheet. I connected to my Google reminders so that it would remind me when fans were expiring. Like.

Speaker 1: 11:40

I was so excited and you know from who I was learning the Snapchat shows. Who Shout out to Melrose Michaels, like I was. You know. I do know from from who I was learning the snapchat shows. You know who shout out to Melrose Michaels.

Speaker 2: 11:50

I love that woman, that woman. That woman came into the industry right around the same time and we started both on the fan centro snapchat platforms oh my god, I learned everything because they was central.

Speaker 1: 12:03

Central was teaching me so for unicorns how to create the Snapchat shows. I love that. Oh my God, I learned it so much. Shout out to Melrose, I also. I always get the examples from Melrose.

Speaker 2: 12:17

Shout out to Melrose guys, if you don't follow her platform, she runs SexWorks CEO and SexWorks CEO has tips, has tips, tricks. You know so much valuable information if you're not utilizing it as a cam model.

Speaker 1: 12:30

content creator, fan platform user I love her, I swear I love her. I was learning the shooting outline from her. I was learning uh content recycling from her.

Speaker 2: 12:42

Because um you should have four life cycles.

Speaker 1: 12:47

We all hear this because, um, she had four for her close friends in instagram. Um she had the stories you know, I do remember yeah, and I learned.

Speaker 2: 13:01

She turned her. You know, she turned her passion like those small little snippets, like what she was just doing for her friends and fam, like her friends and family. She turned that into an entire empire. And that's, that's the thing that I love about content creators and why staying truly independent and things like that has been so important to me. Because when you give content creators the ability to do anything and not be put in a box and not be held down by like a stamp, like certain standards that you know you have to meet under, certain bosses and other things like that, I feel like when you truly get to just dive into that creative, like juice, essentially the things that you get from creators, the tech advances the things that you get from creators.

Speaker 1: 13:48

The tech advances. Chap jpt is one of those examples. Oh my god, she started her new future. Is her new feature right?

Speaker 2: 13:52

the podcasts that are born from creators.

Speaker 1: 13:54

It's all sorts of things wait what how it calls, oh, um, oh, my god, yeah, yeah wait it's um not strip gpt, how it calls uh uh, it's um chat gpts no wait, melrose michaels project is chat gTs. Yeah, gpts, gpts.

Speaker 2: 14:26

T-E-A-S-E, like T's yeah. Oh my God, I love this I utilize it for all of my articles and all of my YouTube videos and things like that. Like, after I write my script, I run it through chat GPTs. I have them improve.

Speaker 1: 14:41

SEO. It's so amazing.

Speaker 2: 14:43

Optimization and things like that, to where my scripts are then hitting all those Google metrics and being seen by other people. So the things that chat GPTs is able to do for us is insane. If you work with an agency, for example, you can really personalize it. You know to speak in your voice to where your agency can run. You know a prompt or a thought or an idea through chat gpt has been and get it in your voice I know, I know it's phenomenal as a whole, even though it's a really scary thing.

Speaker 2: 15:21

Yeah, it's a scary thing, it's also really cool thing.

Speaker 1: 15:23

Yeah, it's a scary thing.

Speaker 2: 15:24

It's also really cool, Like we can't deny that.

Speaker 1: 15:27

I think you was also on the panels from Silverstein. Yes, and about AI in Amsterdam.

Speaker 2: 15:37

I did hear that. I did hear that. Oh me too. Oh my God, it was so crazy. I know and like I, and that's the things that we're going to have to think about as creators. It's something that, you know, a lot of people don't even think about in our industry. We're thinking about contracts, longevity, ownership rights you know all sorts of crazy things, and a lot of people who don't know about adult don't even understand that there is so much paperwork and so much red tape that we have to get through to do what we do. Like there's so much paperwork, so much backend stuff, testing, id holds, age verification, bank account discrimination Like there's so much that creators deal with just outside of being these creative, awesome, epic beings. So AI is scary. It's definitely scary, but it is actually also very Also you have to learn to work with AI.

Speaker 1: 16:36

It's not so easy.

Speaker 2: 16:41

Especially for us old dogs who are learning new tricks. I know, oh my God, to ask the right questions is so hard. I'm like I remember dial up okay, so like the fact that I can now like comcast to my tv. I'm not gonna lie, I'm. I'm struggling sometimes with tech. You would think as a cam model I would be super techie and like know all of this. I've got a tech person on speed dial. Help me my computer, help me my internet.

Speaker 1: 17:14

Look me too. Sometimes I was. Look, I had so important podcast right In Berlin. You know what happened no yeah, correct, I'm scared, but you know it's my god. There was all podcasts, was working so well and the most important podcast it's always the biggest star, the microphones, wasn't working and you know.

Speaker 2: 17:46

That goes to show that, like even the veterans, even girls, who've been doing this for 10, 15 years, like we still have snafus, we still have things go horribly wrong. I was training a recruit the other day and I have streamed live 150 times over in my space, but that one day I had somebody looking at my equipment. Somehow my internet wasn't working, things weren't connecting, you know, so it's, it's always really good. And I looked at her and I was like well, don't ever feel bad when something goes wrong. This is a great training moment. This is.

Speaker 1: 18:18

it's a great training mode and, yeah, I think always when something like this happens, they have there's a reason for it.

Speaker 2: 18:26

And I always tell, and it's always nice just to be like look, it's not always easy, things go wrong. For me too, it's a good, you know, it's a good lesson to go. It doesn't matter how long you've been doing it. You're still going to run into tech issues. You're still going to run into lighting problems. You're still going to run into these things Like it's never going to. It still going to run into these things like it's never going to. It's interesting for me with what lightings you're working. Um, so I have. Typically I have two lights on the side here and then I have back lighting. Um, if I need overhead light, typically my front lights get a little bit brighter, but I typically don't use overhead lighting when I'm camming. Just two front lights and back lighting is what I typically suggest for girls Soft lights in the background, things like that Soft lights in the background?

Speaker 1: 19:09

yeah, and what kind of lights do you have in front of you?

Speaker 2: 19:14

I have two different kinds of lights just because I like to switch them out for streaming. So I do have two box lights.

Speaker 2: 19:21

I have two box lights for professional lighting, but when I'm camming I typically do not bust out my giant box lights. I have two box lights for professional lighting, but when I'm camming I typically do not bust out my giant box lights I don't really. So I have a ring light and a secondary ring light, so I use my ring lights because then while I'm live streaming, I can put my phone in the center of that ring light and record content while I'm streaming.

Speaker 1: 19:40

Oh, my God, that's such a really good tip for models.

Speaker 2: 19:44

Because essentially, if I'm going to do a show and it's a kink or a fetish or something like that, like I'm on a premium based site, so I'm doing a lot of one-on-one, so I get a lot of short, three to 10, 20 minute videos throughout my day. But on a big site like Chatterbait or MFC, where you're performing in this big room, you know, every time you hit one of those goals, before you start your goal show, you should hit that record button because essentially that's content that you're creating that you can reuse. It's all about that longevity and different life cycles. Your first life cycle is the live stream Now you have it for your feed, then your DMs. Your first life cycle is the live stream Now you have it for your feed, then your DMs and then eventually your clips sites and things like that.

Speaker 2: 20:28

So your live stream should definitely not be the only time you're making money on being live because you're investing your time there. If you're spending three to five hours online streaming live, it's going to be really hard to get off and bust out three to five hours of video work. So I utilize that for my bulk content and then what it leaves me doing as a creator is the only content that I'm scheduling to film are my customs, because of course, I still have to bust out custom videos. Of course people still want those really specific things, but a lot of the times if they come to me with a general request do you have, you know, a blowjob video? I've got 12 of those from the last two months in my cam show. Do you have, you know, anal videos? I've got tons of those from just doing it while I was live. So it's like I'm recycling that content of my live stream.

Speaker 1: 21:22

Yeah, I also recycled tons of content. But fun fact also for example, german girls don't know how to is a lot of German girls don't know how to recycle content yes, recycling content is important because, essentially, when you create content, you own that content for life.

Speaker 2: 21:42

Yeah, and you got to think every six months to a year, your fan base is going to change or grow, correct? Yes, to an extent where half of these people didn't see that content and if they already saw it, they're not going to buy it again. So you may lose a teeny tiny percentage of fans who are going to buy that, but the bulk of your fan base is brand new and going to buy it again. So you may lose a teeny tiny percentage of fans who are going to buy that, but the bulk of your fan base is brand new and going to see it for the first time, yes. So Melrose Michaels runs hers on a three-month cycle.

Speaker 2: 22:10

I personally run mine on a six or 12-month cycle because I've been doing it for so many years. I have so much content that I can filter in. So like, for example, this Halloween I did not have time to shoot content. I was in Venus, berlin, I was traveling the month of October, but I've shot Halloween content for the last five years in a row. So the entire month of October I was still utilizing all of that content and nobody felt like I wasn't giving them the full experience. Not one time did a fan go. I've seen this photo before. I don't want to look at it.

Speaker 1: 22:50

I know.

Speaker 2: 22:51

Nobody's ever going to tell you that, nobody's ever going to say oh my God, I've seen this before. Ew, how dare you show me a photo that you took before, unless your look is changing dramatically ie plastic surgery, which I do have a pre-boob job, post-boob job folder, dramatic hair changes, things like that. If you're not changing your look super dramatically, girl, recycle that content.

Speaker 1: 23:14

Yeah, but a lot of girls don't understand it.

Speaker 2: 23:17

You've got your feed. Let it expire in a month. Put it on your feed for a month and then let it expire. Then send it in your dms, then upload it to a clip sale like utilize that content over and over and over, because, yes, you've already shot it, and in 10 years. That brings me to a really interesting point and in 10 years, when you retire, do it again Put it all out there one more time.

Speaker 1: 23:40

Sell all your content.

Speaker 2: 23:42

Put every clip you've ever created on a clip store and push the heck out of it. While you're retired, just sit there making passive income, happily.

Speaker 1: 23:51

Yeah, so that brings me to the next really important point.

Speaker 2: 24:04

How do you managing organizing your content? So I have a really weird system and nobody I've ever talked to has heard my system until I tell them. So I work around my monthly cycle as a woman. That is how I structure my month, and I don't structure it weekly or daily. I structure it monthly because men work on a 24-hour cycle, which is why the world is built in a 24-hour cycle. Women work on a 28 to 30-day cycle and I run my own business. So I'm not on anyone's timeframe but mine. So the way that I work, my timeframes is during my ovulation weeks, meaning the peak of my energy, when I have tons of time, energy, want to get things done.

Speaker 2: 24:55

I feel so good about myself. I'm optimizing my cam and I'm shooting all of my content. It's about two weeks of content creation TikToks, custom videos, lots of filming, being really, really active. Then we go into that luteal phase where your energy starts to dip. It's harder to want to work out. You don't want to socialize as much. You're kind of mean. I film all of my femdom clips that week SPH, small penis, humiliation, all the shit that makes me mean. But I also take a small step back. I cut down one of the days of camming. I give myself a little extra time, but I make up for that in office work.

Speaker 2: 25:40

I, instead of having five days a week that I'm camming, I'm going to only going to go live three days that week. They're going to be much more tame. Shows I'm going to do, yoga, shows I'm going to do, you know, things that are more chill and I'm going to do a lot of content uploading, scheduling out my platforms during that week. I'm going to schedule out my content creation. I'm going to schedule all my only fans. I'm going to schedule out my content creation. I'm going to schedule out my OnlyFans. I'm going to schedule out my traffic posts on ModelSearcher for all of that.

Speaker 2: 26:04

So my luteal phase I kind of chill out a little bit. I do a lot more chatting with my fans that week because I'm not live as much. A lot more scheduling and uploading and posting. And then the week of my period because I'm a very I'm a very lucky creator and I know this comes from a place of privilege I take four days off. I take a full four days off. I, you know, do my personal hygiene, I see my hairdresser, I get my nails done. I take time for me for that like week and I come back ready to go for the next two weeks of content creation for my fans and I come back ready to go for the next two weeks of content creation for my fans.

Speaker 2: 26:40

So that's how I structure my content life. I have about a week where I'm just uploading and generating you know all those you know editing and things like that. I have a week where I take a lot of personal time to myself and it's a lot more social media posts to my fans on what I'm doing. And then I have two and a half weeks where my fans get me every single day and they're sick of me. So I structure my life very differently than, like, every week I do this or every day I'm doing this.

Speaker 1: 27:10

It's it's very but how do you organize it in um in folders? How do you do it?

Speaker 2: 27:16

Okay, so, um, I travel a ton. So half of my content I would say a big bulk of it is all sorted by destination and a year. So Bucharest, 2024, venus, berlin 2024, you know, lala Expo in Colombia. So I've got a lot of folders for destinations that I've traveled to and all of the content that I've created at that destination.

Speaker 1: 27:40

Then for my personal content at home.

Speaker 2: 27:44

I have, you know, different kink folders, um, that I kind of filter into and then I shoot a lot with professional photographers and that's the other way that I sort. It is by photographer, um, it's either by kink or by photographer. If it's shot by me, it's by kink, and then, outside of that, it's by photographer. Cause hearing a photographer's name, I can immediately know what sets I've shot with them, what content I've created. So then I open it and I've got it labeled by date desert shoot 24, you know, shibari, shoot 25, like. Whatever it is that I've done, I have it listed under the photographer that shot it. I also never forget who to tag on social media or who to shout out, because some of the photographers that I know run OnlyFans and other things like that. So that's how I classify all of my content in my Dropbox. Then I have, because I'm not going to lie- so you're working with Dropbox.

Speaker 2: 28:36

I have two to three folders labeled oh my God, phone dump and what is this? Tons of content that I know, and there are probably like 4,000 pieces of media in these two folders and it's all the content that is just unsorted, unused, underutilized. So, as much as it sounds like I have all of this mapped out and really really really well organized, I do, except for some of it. That is just a huge fuck show and I feel like I would be lying to the girls if I was like it's all organized and dainty and cute. I know models who do that. Amethyst is a taste of amethyst on the internet. Like amethyst is a taste of amethyst on the internet. Um, her organization is color-coded, sorted by ai, by her system is so insane. She has the kinks in folders but then it's listed by like how, the number of minutes the video is long and how extreme it.

Speaker 2: 29:36

Got emoji codes next to them.

Speaker 1: 29:40

No.

Speaker 2: 29:41

Her system is so in-depth I almost cried. It was so beautiful. I will never be that. I'm not. I will never be that and I have accepted it.

Speaker 1: 29:51

How she was doing it.

Speaker 2: 29:57

She utilized AI to help her break down a lot of her stuff. I will put you in contact after our podcast because Please, oh my God, you can do it.

Speaker 1: 30:01

Her breakdown a lot of her stuff. I will put you in contact after our podcast because, please, oh my god, you can do it she also also runs a bunch of content creation houses during avian and things like that.

Speaker 2: 30:09

She brings a lot of creators together. She's a. She's a great human. So I definitely will put you in contact with her because her organization you will do it. If you're type a, you'll love her oh, come on.

Speaker 2: 30:22

Oh, I will be so grateful for that, yeah she, she's like I can send you all the ai things that I used and I'm like girl. You'd send them to me and they would not be utilized. Don't waste your time. I love you so much but I will tell her I found somebody who will appreciate how long she's now in streaming um, so she's actually a brand new streamer.

Speaker 2: 30:44

A taste of amethyst was one of the largest top one percent only fan creators and when only fans changed their bylaws recently and banned certain types of content during the visa mastercard thing, she went from making top 1% money to being banned on the platform. So overnight she lost her access to her platform and this is a really great message to any new creator is don't put all your eggs in one basket. I tell girls this all the time. Have multiple streaming platforms, multiple fan sites, have a backup.

Speaker 2: 31:20

She did not, um, because she was, you know, she just this was, this was her bread and butter. She never thought she'd lose it and so she lost her only fans, unfortunately. And she came to me and was like I don't know what to do, girl, what are we doing? And I went deep breaths we're gonna put you on stream eight, we're gonna get you streaming, 're going to get you live. And so, about about a year ago now, she started streaming live for the first time and rebuilt her fan platforms during that time, uh, and is now back to you know, hosting content, collaboration houses and like really being a powerhouse in content creation. But she was a content creator for many, many years. She came in on, you know, the content creation rise of sex work and did phenomenally well and, like I said, lost it overnight and that's what led her to being a full-time streamer while she rebuilt that platform a little scary, so she's got years and years and years of content that she's now able to reutilize.

Speaker 1: 32:23

Okay, let us talk a little bit more about social media. So I like to know what's your opinion, because there comes also a new platform out like Blue Sky, so next to X and I think that the last few months, seo goes much more important or is much more important for social media than ever, and you know also, model searcher is really big SEO is so important.

Speaker 2: 33:06

Yes, yes, yes, if you are an independent creator if you do not have a big name backing you or pushing your content. It is so important to understand how the internet works and it is the hardest, in my opinion, hardest part because it's ever evolving, constantly changing analytics change to understand how important the words, the verbiage, the titles of your videos are. Searchability on Google and things like that are so important because essentially, we as content creators have guerrilla marketing. That's what we have. We can't go on Instagram and click promote my content. We can't buy ad space from any mainstream company, which is why places like Model searcher and creator traffic and spaces who are selling you know traffic to us are so valuable and so important.

Speaker 2: 34:08

It's because 90% of mainstream doesn't want us heard, they don't want us seen. So we're out here guerrilla marketing, and what that means is we're marketing with no plan, no like. We all come up with our own plans, our own strategies, trying to go viral, trying to hit these metrics and these analytics, and there's no way to invest in ourselves in these mainstream spaces to be seen, so we're relying on luck, hacking the algorithms, shout out for shout outs, you know, working for a big company so that we're visual or we're seen eventually trying to be on podcasts, new promotional ideas like the marketing for women is so hard, especially because we're one person and I talked earlier about having teams and you know if you have an agency or other things like that there are so many girls who get overwhelmed and they are backed into a corner with everything they have on their plate and they feel like their only options are to hire an agency Like their only options are to hire an agency, but, but, but.

Speaker 1: 35:30

but. There are also great fan platforms, like 4Base, for example, who have such a lot intern traffic and if you post a lot, it's the same like that on a model searcher. If you post four or five times per day, you got a lot of new users.

Speaker 2: 35:40

It actually makes me a little sad that OnlyFans is the mainstream I'm going to use that word for lack of a different term right now is the mainstream focal point for adult right now? The reason that that bothers me is because I think there are a lot of other platforms that work better for adult content creators.

Speaker 1: 36:00

Much better. There's no searchability.

Speaker 2: 36:02

There's no searchability on OnlyFans. There's so much restrictive work there. They're catering to more of the mainstream model and the mainstream porn star than they are to these niche creators.

Speaker 1: 36:18

And let me tell you something Okay for base, have such a really nice affiliate program first. First, and if you, if you bring models, you have really good rev share, and now it's a good thing if you bring users, you have the same rev share too. It's fucking crazy.

Speaker 2: 36:39

It's the only thing to think it is amazing, it's amazing doesn't offer us anything if we're bringing on new fans and things like that.

Speaker 1: 36:47

Yeah, just new models for one year and then it's gone.

Speaker 2: 36:52

And I remember when it was Lifetime and so I was investing in training and teaching new girls and when they changed that, you know, suddenly you were like wow, I put so much work into my trainees and you are now punishing me for that by taking that away. There have been a lot of things that have gone on on that platform that have made me. I just see right now, if you started on 4BASE you will see if you bring new US girls inside.

Speaker 1: 37:19

Look no, it's really. It's really nice. A lot of girls on for base make much more money with the users they are was bringing inside and the models they are bringing inside. Then their monthly uh content money.

Speaker 2: 37:35

You know it's it's like I said, I'm nice passive income for based I'm very sad that people focus so much on only fans and that it's such a primary focus for so many models right now, because so many new girls who could potentially be super successful in our industry, the only introduction they're getting is only fans. And because there's no searchability, there's no traffic, there's no way to truly garner building, they burn out and they're done before they even have a chance to be successful.

Speaker 1: 38:08

So you know, it's nice to have places like 4Base and you know, also because you can bring to all your platforms people for model searches.

Speaker 2: 38:18

So it's very important and this is why I say it's very important to understand the platform that you're signing up for, the platform that you're going to work for. What are they able to do for you? How are they going to help you grow? What is it going to add to your fan base? Yes, of course, put your name on OnlyFans. It is mainstream. There are a lot of credit cards that are going to be there. You do want to have you know your name in multiple places, though Don't rely on one, because all it takes is a couple violations, or them to change their bylaws or something to happen. Where we watched Wish Tender very recently go under.

Speaker 1: 38:55

I heard about it Wish Tender. What is it?

Speaker 2: 39:00

So it was very popular in the American market. Wish Tender was like an Amazon wishlist. It was supposed to be a safe Amazon wishlist for creators where you weren't giving your, because we learned that you can get an address from Amazon.

Speaker 2: 39:15

Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, you know the woman who started this. It was woman run, Everybody backed it. It was really popular. But unfortunately, it was woman run. Everybody backed it, it was really popular, but unfortunately she made back end choices that eventually shut her down because she didn't work with adult friend and an adult friendly platform. She lost the ability to, you know, process money and you know her website went under and, realistically, there were hundreds of creators who had onboarded. There were tons of women who were working there. So you never know, you know what's going to happen. I mean nobody, nobody saw, you know, Pornhub taking a hit with how big they were in our industry and I not to speak too much on that, but there's, but there's also really important nobody ever thought pornhub would take a hit, but they did and people I know, I know so never can you.

Speaker 1: 40:19

Can you tell us for the, for the german market? Can you tell us a little bit more about frown, because fr throne it's not popular on in the german market but I saw it's linked in only fans throne.

Speaker 1: 40:35

Yes, that's not really something I'm utilizing to be okay so I was, because only fans was changing the links you can link to your social media. Yes, and there's also throne, and throne is a wish list for creators, the leading gifting platform. I just saw it quick and I um, I would know a little bit more about it, because it seems like it's the same like wish list and that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2: 41:00

I would like, I'd like to hear a little bit more about it because, like I said, I will send you the link always do your research on new platforms.

Speaker 2: 41:07

I tell girls this all the time do your research, talk to people, find out who's running it, who's organizing it, who's backing it, where's the funding coming from. Learning those things is not hard if you have good conversation, if you have a network and adult, if you talk to people. So I always try to figure out who's behind these projects. How long have they network and adult if you, you know, talk to people. So I always try to figure out. You know who's behind these projects. How long have they been an adult? Do I see? Have they had longevity in their other projects? Like, all of these things are very important to think about because you know if you, there's a lot of platforms and you know also realistic expectations.

Speaker 2: 41:43

If a platform pops in my DMs and they're offering 100% of my income, I immediately know I will never, ever, ever, ever, ever work for them. Why? Because where's the longevity in paying me 100%? How are you paying your credit card processors? How are you paying your back end staff? How are you paying support? How are you managing your platform If you're offering me 100% of my income just to onboard? I can't trust a platform who ever offers that, because I know they have no longevity in adult. They're looking for big cash to cash out and move on.

Speaker 1: 42:22

So one other thing I like to know a little bit more. I can't tell you, I'm just not an expert in social media, but I'm really big with my accounts and social media.

Speaker 2: 42:38

You are a powerhouse online. You are a powerhouse Me. Yes, girl.

Speaker 1: 42:46

No, come on, no, come on, no. But listen. I always when I'm streaming and when I was doing my makeup for my streaming sessions, I was watching YouTube videos about social media. So also, when my models had a bun when I was working in sales, we was cleaning the bun for social media. So I can tell you, I know a lot about Instagram. I saw about X, about Instagram, about a lot of platforms. So, and I, you know the adult industry changes and I, you know the adult industry changes and also I'm in contact with a lot of really big models from US, so really with a lot of million followers and you know, if they girls are really big on OnlyFans, they have maybe no subscription price, or they have the free dollars, but the really big ones don't have any subscription price, or they have the free dollars, but the really big ones don't have any subscription price yeah, they.

Speaker 1: 43:49

The platform is free and they're making all of their money on ppp yeah, I know, but now listen, you know I'm also in the us market in in that. So OnlyFans is going a little bit, so the subscription prices for OnlyFans and something all is a little bit go down because the US users don't like to pay for PPVs. And I hear it from other platforms that membership sites are coming again. Is this true? Is our membership sites working again really better than fan platforms?

Speaker 2: 44:37

I've seen a couple different things work, so how I'm running my platform currently. I used to be able to charge $60 a month on OnlyFans and like when OnlyFans was first created, but now there's so many creators and so many girls doing this. That's not. That's not a good business model. So I see two really successful business models working for girls right now. There are girls who are pushing free trials and want a mass amount of fans on their platforms and then they're pushing their ppvs um, and you know that's where they're making their money. I also see girls who set a slightly higher and I've done this myself set that slightly higher subscription rate and then everything on their their page is free.

Speaker 1: 45:21

I kind of like jelly bean brains. I can't. I think it's jelly bean brains. And she, oh my god, she made so much money on OnlyFans.

Speaker 2: 45:29

I've actually kind of melded those two things together. My subscription price is mid-range. I charge $9.99, which gives me the ability to do sales.

Speaker 1: 45:39

Me $90.99.

Speaker 2: 45:41

Mine is $9.99, but I do send out a lot of PPVs. Now my feed is definitely enough to get off on. You could scroll my feed. There's clips and things, all sorts of stuff, lots of things you wouldn't find on Instagram. But anything longer than a five minute video is sold in my PPVs. So they get, you know, two to three minute clips.

Speaker 2: 46:09

They get small things for me for that subscription but, I, am still sending out those PPVs, but my PPVs are discounted for what I sell my videos at. They are slightly less than I'm going to upload my videos onto a clip site for. So and essentially my clip sites don't see my content until they've been pushed through my OnlyFans and then are retired from there, Essentially I say retired because it's never truly retired. If somebody asks for the content, they can buy it on my OnlyFans at that discounted rate. But then you have my clip sales that price my videos slightly higher, but they're always available. You don't need me to be online, you don't need me to send them to you, you can just have that transaction whenever you want. So for me I do still send out those PPVs, but they're at a discount for what my videos are truly, in my opinion, worth. And then I put that true worth on my clip sites where you're not paying, because you can access my clip sites with absolutely no, with absolutely no subscription. So there's a way to get my videos.

Speaker 2: 47:11

If you don't want to subscribe, there's clips for sale. There's Manny vids, which is my primary one Manny vids and my Manny vids. You can always buy my videos. If you don't want to subscribe to me, you can still DM me on MannyVids, you can talk to me, you can order a custom, but you don't get that daily feed. So I run my clip site as that place where you can constantly get my videos. You can still talk to me, but if you want that added bonus of that daily feed you need to subscribe. So that's again with that. Life cycle of content is having them in multiple places for multiple different kinds of user. If somebody is like, oh, I don't want to subscribe to your only fans, I'm like cool, you can go find every video I've ever put on my only fans for sale on this site per video. And then there's other people who are like I don't want to spend money on a PPV, here's my. I also have a free onlyans, which is much tamer.

Speaker 1: 48:10

And they get my PPVs at the same price that I'm putting them on my website. What's your strategy again for your OnlyFans free page?

Speaker 2: 48:14

My OnlyFans is like a teasy Instagram with some two to three minute clips and then I sell anything more than two to three minutes in my PPVs. And then I have a free, only fans which gets the same style feed but they don't get any clips. All of the clips are sold in ppv interesting so my vip site.

Speaker 2: 48:39

I still send ppvs out, but they get much more on their feed, um, and then on my free one, much less on their feed, and then on my free one, much less on their feed, and everything is in PPV basically. So I have both models. So if somebody wants a free site and to pay for PPV per piece of content, they can subscribe to my free OnlyFans and do that. If you want to subscribe and pay a monthly fee to get tons of content and then pick and choose the extras, I have that available too. And you're right, it's very different per market.

Speaker 1: 49:12

In the american market I do see they want to spend on that subscription price and get everything else for free yeah, and also and also some companies, big companies I don't like to say the names here, but they told us that the last months, like membership sites are coming again Because people don't like to pay for PPVs anymore.

Speaker 2: 49:39

Well, I also see the tipping culture is different in the US and other places too, Because in the US I tip for everything. I tip my servers.

Speaker 1: 49:48

I know, I know.

Speaker 2: 49:49

I tip the people who bring my luggage.

Speaker 1: 49:51

We don't have it in Germany.

Speaker 2: 49:53

And this is what I'm saying. So when I go places, everyone's like, ah, she's the American, like she's gonna over tip. And that's true online too. You see people online. They're willing to tip more often than somebody who wants a singular transaction, one large transaction.

Speaker 1: 50:10

Like Germans.

Speaker 2: 50:12

To get everything in return. It's one of the reasons I like being on the premium sites, because it's a little bit of both I can have. The Americans are in my free chat tipping for like me, to flash my tits or, you know, to make funny faces.

Speaker 1: 50:25

We don't have it in Germany, or we don't have it in germany, we don't have it. It was starting with strip chat a little bit, but we don't have um all to play this games and something we don't have it and stream mate.

Speaker 2: 50:37

They focus more on that transactional and being in the international market and expanding. That has been really good for me, because I see a lot more of the people who want the champagne room experience, the one-on-one, and we're paying per minute. They're getting exactly what they pay for. They're happy with that. So I see both work online and it really depends on you as a creator. How are you going to thrive? Because, at the end of the day, trying to mimic everything about your brand after what's popular on the internet is going to make you really inauthentic, in my opinion. So the first thing you have to figure out is what works for you. How are you most comfortable naked and performing and engaging with your fans? Once you figure that out, you can give your fans the best of the best. However, that looks for you. But that's going to be so different per individual creator.

Speaker 2: 51:28

There are some creators like you you thrive with filmed content and you're a content creator. Then there are content creators like me who I need that back and forth and I thrive being live, which is why I record my live sessions to give myself that content creation edge. Live sessions to you know, to give myself that content creation edge. So finding your niche isn't even just about what kind of content you're creating Like. When it comes to like, are you a femdom? Are you submissive? It's past that. Finding your niche is also finding the type of performer you are.

Speaker 2: 52:01

Do you like to be on stage? Do you like to be in a private room? Do you like to be filmed? Do you like to be watched? Do you like to be in a private room? Do you like to be filmed? Do you like to be watched? You know you have to figure out what really gets your creative going and I think that's what performs best is your authentic self. So, no matter how you structure your pay sites and things like that, I think if you're authentically yourself and you're offering good quality content that people want to watch and you're engaging, people are going to pay for it, no matter how you.

Speaker 1: 52:32

I was. I was also changing in the last 10 years. I was changing a lot.

Speaker 2: 52:38

Yeah, and I'm way different the kind of creator I am today versus the kind of creator I was 10 years ago. I don't shoot the same fetishes. I don't have the same look. I'm not the only thing that's the same as I'm on the same platform. That's the only thing that stayed the same, and my fans love that evolution, though, and your fans invest in seeing you grow, and you have those fans that stick with you five, 10 years just to see how different you are.

Speaker 1: 53:08

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:08

So you know, there's always going to be something that changes an adult. The platforms are going to change, the content's going to change. The thing that's not going to change is people are always going to be seeking human connection, even more so with the more advancements in technology. Human connection and this is one of the reasons I'm not threatened entirely by AI is, I think, that baseline of human connection that we offer an adult is going to be what keeps us here forever. I think that's what's going to keep in-person live creators in business forever, because you cannot, you can't mimic human connection.

Speaker 1: 53:50

I know. I know that's also why I, why I haven't created an AI for me. Because yeah.

Speaker 2: 53:57

And I just you can't, you can't, you can't mimic empathy, you can't mimic care, and I care about my fans at the end of the day the same way they not all of them, don't get me wrong. There are some of them that I don't have love and care for, but there are so many genuine connections with people that I foster. You know you meet them at fan shows. You you cam with them every day for years online, like that human connection, no matter how it comes across from you. I think if you hone that and you put that on your platform or you put that in your cam show that true connection with humans they're going to spend money. The people who want to invest in you are always going to find a way to do that, something that I was told by the studio owner.

Speaker 2: 54:42

I used to work with somebody who gave me terrible advice most of the time, may I add, but one thing he said to me that was such good advice. I now say it to every model I ever work with you cannot convince a broke man to spend money. That is not your job. Your job is to convince the man who already decided he wants to spend his money to spend it on you and not someone else. Don't waste your time trying to convince a broke man to spend money.

Speaker 1: 55:13

That's a really good advice.

Speaker 2: 55:14

The only person you need to be focusing on is the men who have clearly established they want to spend money. Now the only thing you're trying to convince them is to spend it on you. Thing you're trying to give them is to spend it on you. If you stop trying to convert every single client and you focus on those genuine connections and you focus on the clients who are really there for you, you save your energy, you make more money long-term. It's. It's important. You can't, you can't milk you. You know they say, like you can't squeeze water out of you know a cactus, or whatever the saying is. Or you can't milk a dry cow, or however they say it.

Speaker 1: 55:52

It's nice.

Speaker 2: 55:54

Yeah, so it's good advice. Essentially, you know you're not trying to convince every single person online to spend money. You're trying to connect with the people who already want to be investing in this. Conversion is important. Don't get me wrong. I'm not saying don't work on your conversions, but just remember, not every single client is a convertible client and there are clients who will be. I was yesterday.

Speaker 1: 56:20

I don't like to, I don't like to mention the model here, but I was yesterday and I really she's from US and she's really big and I was she was going live not on her VIP OnlyFans, she was going live the first time on her free OnlyFans.

Speaker 2: 56:40

And oh my.

Speaker 1: 56:40

God, wait, wait. It's a new strategy. Listen, she made in one and a half hour nearly 4K with 400 to 500 people and all the people there was. You know how it works. There was 10 whales. Who was tipping the money?

Speaker 2: 57:02

It's the whales that always save you.

Speaker 1: 57:04

Bam and she made in one and a half hour nearly 4K. It was crazy, it was crazy, it was crazy. And then I thought, and then I thought how stupid we are. I was thinking how stupid we are. We always going live on the VIP, only fans.

Speaker 2: 57:24

Where they're already paying to see you.

Speaker 1: 57:27

Yeah, yeah, go live, promote it on Instagram, go live on your free only fans. Catch all the people made some goals first 500, then 1,500, then 2,000. You put your bra off, then 3,000, you put your panties off, whatever and she made it like this. It was incredible, it was crazy. She was also playing spin the wheel and I can watch it all the time because I like to learn how she convert the users. You know, because it's we don't. We don't playing these games in Germany and I like to go more inside this because everyone was talking oh, I made so much money on my live OnlyFans and I said, yeah, yeah, yeah, but then I have seen it.

Speaker 2: 58:10

It was crazy yeah, it's insane when you find something that just works it was crazy.

Speaker 1: 58:19

Oh my god, it was so crazy. Yeah, but I will try it.

Speaker 2: 58:23

I will try it too because I want to hear your results.

Speaker 1: 58:27

I will let you know because, yeah, listen it's. It's really. It's crazy. Okay, at one and a half hour, nearly 4K, but it was also a really cool show. I can tell you she haven't done a lot. And then she made it like this Okay, the guys who spent much more than $20 gets invited to her come show, also at the free account. But she started a new life and she put only the guys who paid this 20 dollars. She put them in for the coming show.

Speaker 2: 59:07

Yeah, it was crazy it was so nice it's to her live. That's really cool. I love she's. It sounds like she cams somewhere else and that she took a lot of the things that make us money on the cam side of the world into this. So it sounds like she came with a lot of knowledge and experience on how to really work those fans in a positive way to where they were getting the interaction they craved and she was still able to monetize that.

Speaker 1: 59:31

That is a fantastic skill it is, but I but I haven't found out. Maybe you know how it works, how she was tracking the people who are spending this $20 for the next VIP show.

Speaker 2: 59:47

Well, realistically, you can just go to your earnings page and just literally all the names that just add them up. Yeah, okay, click over to your earnings page and write them all down, open that window and then open your live and just click down the names that are on this list.

Speaker 1: 1:00:08

Yeah, correct Because they made it new that you can go also live for some categories.

Speaker 2: 1:00:17

Yeah. I think she had done it like this yeah, so recent tippers and then going through and like clicking the ones who were, you know, spent the money that makes a lot of sense.

Speaker 1: 1:00:27

Good that we was talking about this now.

Speaker 2: 1:00:30

Because now I want to see you do it and see what happens.

Speaker 1: 1:00:35

Yeah, caitlin, so many great ideas.

Speaker 2: 1:00:37

I hope that all of the ladies listening are taking notes and going to utilize all of these epic ideas for themselves.

Speaker 1: 1:00:42

That's why I started this podcast? Because in Germany it's not like the US and in Germany the models don't help each other, and that's why I started this podcast. That, that's why yeah, that's why I started this podcast.

Speaker 2: 1:00:54

My heart is breaking because collaborations and word of mouth and Germany it's not like this.

Speaker 1: 1:01:01

Best way to grow your personal brand, but in Germany nobody helped each other.

Speaker 2: 1:01:07

Girl. Well, if you are listening to sisters in cash today, definitely follow coffee with Caitlin on the model searcher YouTube as well, because I will be giving giving this information for free all the time, just like she is. Like you guys, definitely create communities amongst yourselves, please. Yes, I know, I know we're already the black sheep of every other industry. We are the black stand on society. Everybody's so annoyed by sex workers Like we need to rally together and be each other's support system, like you, tell your friends and family what you're doing and they just don't get it. They don't understand it they don't get the hardships.

Speaker 2: 1:01:44

They don't understand what we're going through out here. Girls need to come together because we are stronger.

Speaker 1: 1:01:50

I know much stronger together, I know Much stronger together.

Speaker 2: 1:01:54

I know Community guys, I preach community so much. I sound like a broken record, but find your tribe. It's so important in adult it's going to keep you your longevity, it's going to keep you motivated.

Speaker 1: 1:02:11

It's going to keep you. You know, working through the heart. You have seen how incredible fan base from models Melrose built.

Speaker 2: 1:02:19

I'm telling you, having a community is so important. Finding the people who you vibe with is so important. You know, almost more important than anything, you know taking care of yourself, your mental health, not facing burnout. Social health is part of that. Social health is a pillar of mental health and you need to make sure that social health and things are getting, you know, checked in on.

Speaker 1: 1:02:41

Yeah, caitlyn, now we're talking over one hour. It was a pleasure for me to talk with you.

Speaker 2: 1:02:49

I could talk to you all day. You're such a great person to chat with. Thank you so much for giving me a space and a platform you know to connect with other models and to share, you know, parts of my journey.

Speaker 1: 1:03:01

It means a lot to me, thank you thank you so much for your time and please mention your podcast again that the girls now it's coffee with caitlin, where you can sip coffee and spill industry tea. Where the girls can find your pot, you can find that on the Model Searcher YouTube I'm featured.

Speaker 2: 1:03:22

It's pinned right there. You can see all of the episodes and that will link directly to my YouTube where I will have individual product reviews, a ton of information about how to travel to all of the industry events, how to get involved in our community and how to find more of your tribe.

Speaker 1: 1:03:39

Really nice. Thank you so much. We will also talk just quick after the pod, and nice greetings to Las Vegas, your base right.

Speaker 2: 1:03:51

Yes, and thank you all the way from Germany for staying up late to hang out with me tonight.

Speaker 1: 1:03:57

Thank you so much. It was so interesting and I was learning a lot.

Speaker 2: 1:04:01

Bye guys, bye bye.