Speaker 1: 0:06

Welcome to another episode from the Sisters in Cash podcast. This episode is featured by 4Based and ModelSearchercom. Modelsearcher is your adult-friendly social media platform. Today is my guest Anna Lingus. She's from Germany, but we will talk also in this episode in English, so welcome Anna.

Speaker 2: 0:38

Hi, pleasure to be here.

Speaker 1: 0:41

I'm really happy that you have the time to be in my pod today. Can you tell us a little bit more about you? So how long are you in the industry, what are you doing, and something like this yeah, so I've been in the industry for about four and a half years.

Speaker 2: 1:01

I started with my partner, mr Lingo's live camming in 2020 in spring, and first we were just live camming and later we started on actually making videos and going on lots of different sites and start to collab and, yeah, that's how we ended up here after four and a half years. That's how we ended up here after four and a half years.

Speaker 1: 1:24

Yeah, so you are really, really, really famous in Germany and also you started right now on the international market, right.

Speaker 2: 1:38

Yeah, so this year I went to the USA for about three and a half years, but actually last year I was also in the USA already for one week. Yeah, yeah, that was my first time doing anything really international. Before that I was just shooting in Germany and a little bit in Austria.

Speaker 1: 2:04

Nice, nice. So you shoot it in your ass, right?

Speaker 2: 2:08

Yeah, I did a lot of shooting. So last year we went there. We didn't really know anybody, we weren't in any of the groups and stuff. How you connect with other models connect with other models um, so we just shot with a couple of people um, it was about four people. We knew a famous cam couple from there. They are called jack and jill. Um, they do live cam shows on chatterbait for, I think, seven or eight years wow yeah, they're like really famous on there and they do always collab shows.

Speaker 2: 2:44

So every week they collab with another creator. And yeah, we just asked them if we can collab and they are in Vegas, in Las Vegas, in USA. So they said, yes, we can come, and so we did two shows with them and, yeah, and we also shot in los angeles last year, but, um, just a little bit. And this year we thought we come back to do like a longer collaboration, because most people want to collab like spontaneously. They don't want to plan it and in advance for like a very long time, they just want to know okay, you're here, let's do it tomorrow so we decided.

Speaker 2: 3:28

We decided to do it for like three and a half weeks but we had like at least half of the shoots we already had planned before we went there, like half of the days that we were there. So there was a lot of shoots already planned. But of course there were lots of cancellations and we were really lucky this year. First shoot we did was with a guy named alex mag and he was he's like I think I know his name.

Speaker 2: 3:58

Yeah, he's famous, right yeah, he's like uh, doing porn for quite a long time, also an agent and a producer, and he was like, uh, yeah, well, you got a lot of cancellations. That's just not gonna be okay. I'm gonna put a person I know on every day, you have free. So basically then we shot every day, sometimes two shoots.

Speaker 1: 4:24

Yeah, it was just two shoots every day.

Speaker 2: 4:27

No, most days one shoot.

Speaker 1: 4:29

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 4:30

And some days two shoots.

Speaker 1: 4:32

Wow.

Speaker 2: 4:33

For like three and a half weeks that was. That was crazy, yeah, but we shot, I shot, with lots of really nice people.

Speaker 1: 4:44

Perfect, perfect, also perfect Also Mr Lingus too. So you did it together as a couple.

Speaker 2: 4:50

Yeah, it was planned that we're going to do a lot of scenes together, but he heard us back in the first scene we did with me, alex Mack and him. That was our first shoot first scene. Where did was me, alex mack and him. That was our first shoot first scene where he was in and he was trying to film like from a crazy position, bending over backwards with the camera and it's like a heavy camera, and he threw out his bag. No shoot anymore for three and a half weeks.

Speaker 1: 5:20

Yeah, it was kind of tragic, but well oh my god now, by the way oh, this is horrible when you, when you are on a shooting trip yeah and something like this happens yeah it's.

Speaker 2: 5:35

I know it wasn't ideal because, like my, my fans like a lot of me with a few different guys yes he could have participated in most shoots that I only did a boy girl I. In a lot of shoots he could have participated to make it boy boy girl, which would have been amazing, but it wasn't possible this year. But we already said we're coming back and then we, then we can do all the all the boy boy girl in the world okay, okay, okay, so, um.

Speaker 1: 6:12

So next trip to us is going wild yeah, probably.

Speaker 2: 6:18

So everybody said we should definitely uh shoot again. So yeah, we'll. We'll see what we do next time, but we're for sure going back so that's not so, guy.

Speaker 1: 6:28

So guys, so to the, to the people who listen. It's not normal for a german model that you might make it to us so you can. Yeah, I know there's a lot of hard work behind it and you're really consistent. Can you tell us more? Can you tell us more? What is?

Speaker 2: 7:00

your secret to be successful.

Speaker 1: 7:02

Okay, I think it's consistent Because you are so I always. I see your shows, I see your news when you drop some news. I know you also work. You are working really hard also on your platforms. So please tell us how you handle everything and what's the secret of it.

Speaker 2: 7:19

I think it's not about like doing like working super hard or working a lot. I think it's not about like doing like working super hard or working a lot. I think it's about working consistently. Yeah, I think what most people lack, or what's really hard to do, is that if, even if it's not going well, or if you don't see results straight away, or if you don't want to do it, that you still do it.

Speaker 2: 7:41

So for example, our cam shows. We started with like five days a week um three to four hours camp show. We're doing now three days a week, three to four hours as a couple camp show yes, no pressure no pressure how you are doing this so the thing is he, he kind of um, has a way of controlling how to last pretty long um, so that he can actually, like, contain himself this is so crazy.

Speaker 1: 8:20

Sorry because I was thinking last time about couple shows and now I think one hour is hard.

Speaker 2: 8:27

But yeah, yeah. So we're not like fucking all the time. We're not like um how should you say it?

Speaker 1: 8:39

you are not like um sleeping together yeah, so you are, so you are also teasing, right yeah, we also.

Speaker 2: 8:47

No, we're not really teasing. So, um, we, we is, for everybody it's different. We, we found a special style on how, how our shows work, and we we found out that usually we started to be dressed up in the beginning completely and then slowly set goals to get more and more naked, and what we noticed was that if we are dressed up, the show is slow. If we are naked, the show is very fast. So we were spending like a big chunk of the show trying to get to the point where the show goes fast and pretty, pretty fast. We were like, maybe just speed the process up, start at the point where the show is actually where stuff is happening on cam, where people come in and want to actually tip for that. So we just cut out all the beginning part and started hot, yeah, but we also talk in the meantime when people don't tip and there's breaks. But yeah, it's like three hours or three to four hours of doing something. That's action.

Speaker 1: 10:04

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 10:11

Yeah, so, but about the hard work, yeah, I think I think, like, especially in live camming, a lot of time you're not gonna have like you don't want to go online because it's gonna be hard. You don't know if people are gonna tip, you don't know um, how is it going go? Is it going to be a slow or a fast show? And oftentimes that can stop people from camming consistently or from actually being happy when you're on cam, because that's also an issue. I noticed that a lot of people they do go online, but then they just show that they don't want to be there, which makes the show in turn, be less good than it could be if you were like happy and engaging with your users. Yeah, so I think it's just consistently showing up, for example, for our camp shows and like being excited to be there and showing that how often are you live?

Speaker 2: 11:08

uh, three times a week now wow we started doing three times a week like pretty much right away. Like maybe maybe two or three months in, we we went down from like five times a week to three times a week, cause it's just, it's good, it's a good amount of streams, but it's not, it's not like too much that you don't let you like get sore or whatever, or that you don't care, cause we also have like a private life.

Speaker 1: 11:41

So yeah, I know every day. That's the next question you mentioned. You have a private life, but you're working a lot right?

Speaker 2: 11:51

we were we were talking about it recently how much we actually work.

Speaker 1: 11:56

He was like it's probably not 20 hours a week, like maybe maybe 40 hours a week for both of us like maybe maybe 40 hours a week for both of us, like two hours a week for both of you, are you do?

Speaker 2: 12:11

you have normal jobs too.

Speaker 1: 12:12

Yeah, yeah, we do how you, how you handling this?

Speaker 2: 12:21

well, we just, I don't know, there's a lot of time in your day, I don't know. Depends on what you work, obviously, how long you travel to work, but there's obviously obviously this job you can do from home. That's the best part about it, except collaborations. But, um, also, we manage to do a lot of the other work from home or to do it like flexibly, so we don't yeah, we don't waste too much time and so we can combine it kind of.

Speaker 1: 12:55

Nice, nice, okay. So another question. So you are now really long time in industry and I know you also have to bring traffic to your pages. So what's the best way for you to, um, to bring traffic to your pages?

Speaker 2: 13:18

yeah, so I think the the issue is to bring traffic to the paid pages, like where you upload videos or where you sell subscriptions. Of course, live camming, you don't need to bring traffic. The site itself is doing lots of advertising to promote your cam. So the two sites where we get the traffic from is from live camming and from, uh, the porn hub. Um, so that both of the marketing.

Speaker 2: 13:56

Yeah, both of that brings traffic to our video and subscription pages. Um, yeah, and the good thing is the live camming is, uh, we do it a lot. We do it three times a week so it brings kind of continuous traffic. Um, we know how much traffic we're going to get for our pages and porn hub has issues.

Speaker 1: 14:19

Um, the traffic is very inconsistent really yeah, also for you, because you have millions of views.

Speaker 2: 14:26

Yeah, for everybody. They have issues with their algorithm and stuff where you don't know. A phone app works like that. You upload a video, it can get featured, then it lands on a recently featured list and from this list it goes to hot lists featured list and from this list it goes to hot lists. Hot lists are the lists that you get when you go onto the hub from a land. You get the hot list for your land and most likely the people are going to click on these videos that are on the first page of the hot list. So it's all about getting on that first page of the hot list and Pornhub kind of features videos and gets them on the hot list, but how it? Depending on how much views and ratings you get.

Speaker 2: 15:10

but the algorithm behind it is very yeah, it's very intransparent and really yeah, so it it is hard to predict how much traffic you're going to get on a certain day or a certain video. Um, yeah, a lot of they. Oftentimes there's like uh in, like dense in the traffic or it goes up for no reason. So it's a little bit unreliable. But if you just keep doing it, uh, it's overall it's it's good traffic.

Speaker 1: 15:46

Okay, so Sorry. Lots of information. Um, yeah, you get millions of views, because I watched it at your numbers before, because I'm really interested in tube marketing, and I thought, wow, she make tons of traffic on these pages yeah, of course we do make a lot of traffic.

Speaker 2: 16:26

Just um, the daily traffic. Of course you got get like perfect stats from uh, from them. That's really nice. You see on which hot lists you are and how much traffic you get per day. And it kind of relates to how much you post. We noticed that if you post more they seem to give you more traffic. But it's like it's like on every like on social media too. You don't know how the algorithm works you don't know what it's doing and yeah, but for sure you get a lot of views.

Speaker 1: 16:58

But you will say tube marketing is for for you, the, yeah, the maximum where you can get traffic right.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Yeah, it's like 50-50 with camping sites and Pornhub. So if I asked, I always ask the people on my paid sites where they came from, and about 50-50 is from Pornhub and from camping sites.

Speaker 1: 17:25

Crazy. Okay, this is crazy.

Speaker 2: 17:27

The camping sites do advertisements on porn up, so it's basically the same ah, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1: 17:35

So so strip chat and chatrovate are doing advertising on porn up yeah, it works like that.

Speaker 2: 17:45

Um probably a lot of advertisement. You see the advertising banner. Sometimes below um on the last page, like on the page on the bottom, there's an advertisement banner on the sides. Or you click on a porno video and then another page opens that is in the background and that is still my god, this is so interesting for the models.

Speaker 2: 18:07

I think a lot of models didn't know it so basically, if you can, you also get advertised on lots of tubes, not just porn up. I just I'm not on a lot of different tubes. Um, we started x videos um x videos.

Speaker 1: 18:23

Are you also on x hamster?

Speaker 2: 18:25

um, no, not anymore. They okay. I had a lot of issues and I don't know what exactly happened. But, mr links didn't want to upload anymore because I know and he's a pro. I know that he's a pro, okay, um, yeah, so he's also doing all the uploads, right oh yeah, we kind of got um, um have different, different tasks for me and different tasks for him. So he's doing like, the video cutting, the uploading, um all the technical stuff and I'm doing the chatting or posting really yeah, or posting on like uh, social media and he posts on our paid pages.

Speaker 2: 19:12

But I chat on the paid pages nice, nice.

Speaker 1: 19:16

So you are, so you are chatting.

Speaker 2: 19:18

I love it yeah, by the way, I'm actually chatting. I don't know. This might be interesting to know for a lot of people. I know lots of people are not chatting. I'm actually.

Speaker 1: 19:27

It's me, it's me yeah, I know a lot of people have agencies. Yeah, we know about it, yeah.

Speaker 2: 19:34

I'm also chatting one-to-one on my pages yeah, yeah, I think I understand at some point it's not possible anymore. I really do understand that, but I'm definitely not at that point. It's fine. So it takes a lot of time, but it doesn't take so much time it takes a lot of time.

Speaker 1: 19:52

You have to be on your phone for 20 hours per day yeah but yeah it's still okay.

Speaker 2: 19:59

It's still doable. Like I say on Instagram that I can't chat there because I have to, I can only chat on the VIP pages I call. Call them, then it's okay. So obviously I can't answer everybody who hasn't subscribed or something like that. But if you concentrate on the subscribers, it's doable.

Speaker 1: 20:20

It's doable, exactly Okay. Another question, just one question more, about you marketing. How often do you release Okay? So I think it will be really interesting for models, because if you're a model, you're really afraid to um upload your content for free. So how you are handling to upload your content so, um, what I mean is if a video goes online, how long after it goes online? So where do you release it? The first? Where do you release it the second and when? When do you release it on two pages?

Speaker 2: 21:03

Yeah, I think of course you shouldn't just upload all of your content for free online. You shouldn't just upload all of your content for free online.

Speaker 1: 21:10

You shouldn't.

Speaker 2: 21:12

Of course that doesn't make any sense, Not on free pages at least. So what basically everybody does is they produce a long video on some way or another. They produce like a 45-minute video. For example, when I collaborate with guys from the USA, they all do at least 30 minute videos, and if they want to post something on pornhub they make like a 10 minute cut or maybe a little bit shorter.

Speaker 2: 21:40

Okay, so from the long video you post only the 10 minutes or 50 minutes yeah, and for us it's super easy course I said we do the three four hour cam shows um, we record them.

Speaker 1: 21:53

Oh my god, that is so good. So you are uploading the cam.

Speaker 2: 21:56

The cam shows so the action from the video from the three to four hours is maybe two hours, maybe one hour, something in between.

Speaker 1: 22:05

Uh, so the full video is one to two hours long, just action so you're filming the full cam shows um you're uploading a part of it. How? How long on the?

Speaker 2: 22:19

tube about 10 minutes.

Speaker 1: 22:20

Yeah, we do about 10 minutes and where and where you are uploading the full cam shows on the paid pages and on the paid pages yeah, nice, so it's.

Speaker 2: 22:32

You can also advertise in the. On the end of the video on phone hub you can just say full video is there? Uh, that, basically everybody does it like that.

Speaker 2: 22:42

Then you just say um, here's with your link in it, and a 10 minute video and the full video is, uh, full, like one hour. Whatever 30 minute video is on paid pages. Um, yeah, works best if you, if you, concentrate on one page there, we concentrate on only fans. Um, because if you give like an array of pages to go to, that's made might be confusing so it might be best to just say full video how you are recording this, um just you.

Speaker 2: 23:15

I have to ask mr lingus yeah, no, you, we we record, um. You could do like a screen capture where you you have a streaming software and you just press the screen capture. But the problem is that a lot of campsites allow you to have overlays, like have your social media in the corner or have maybe maybe, um whatever, some links in the picture or maybe an icon or something. You don't want that necessarily in the video, so we just record with the camera directly, so the camera obviously can record videos and that's what we do while streaming so you record it, not when you stream, so just with an external camera no, the camera that we use to stream it obviously can stream and record at the same time.

Speaker 2: 24:08

Oh my god. Okay, I have to ask mr lingus later.

Speaker 1: 24:11

Okay, okay, okay, okay. That was really good information also for the girls. I think it's a really good way to, if they don't do hardcore with boy girl content, to film their cam shows and put a part of it on the tube sites. I think this can really this can bring tons of traffic. So also in times where social media goes harder and harder, I found another page so not I found, but that's how it works. You know, we are really long, we both really long in industry. So I tried to use also modelsearchercom.

Speaker 1: 24:54

As I mentioned before, modelsearchercom is an adult friendly social media platform and have tons of traffic because they are working also with different search machines and um. Yeah, if you have only fans or other fan pages or you have social media, of course you can link from from um model searcher to your only fans. I also try it now, I think, for science november and it works perfectly also to link to my other fan platforms. So for based um, yeah, it works, you just have to use. The best way it's to use a free trial link that you can see how many people come from model searcher to only fansans, or also another way is only model searcher have a tracking link. So in my case I got tons of traffic from model searcher. So maybe also it's a good way for you to try it, because I know, yeah, mr Link was really good in technical stuff.

Speaker 2: 26:10

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 26:10

So maybe it's also a way for you and, um, yeah, everything is free there, so there's traffic for free. The more you post, the more you get higher in ranking. So it's really really, really good. You can post whatever you like, so you can link to whatever you like.

Speaker 2: 26:30

Yeah, that's nice.

Speaker 1: 26:31

Yeah. Yeah, it's nice, because a lot of girls didn't know how to track where they get their traffic from. Yeah, so, but if you're a long time in the industry, you learn how good are these platforms to track your traffic.

Speaker 2: 26:55

Yeah, yeah, yeah. How good are these platforms to track your, your traffic? Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're struggling hard with with social media, so we I basically don't get any traffic to my paid pages from social media, wow so yeah, so yeah.

Speaker 1: 27:05

So you choose model searcher. It's. It's's really good because I also focus it the last two months more on Model Searcher, because I always sometimes Instagram throw your reels out and you get so many views and sometimes you get tons of views but you don't get any traffic from Instagram. So that's why I also started to use these platforms. And yeah, what can I say? I get every day new subscribers from auto search up. Okay, you are also on paid platform. Will you mention your platforms that the people know how they can find you?

Speaker 2: 27:55

Yeah, so I'm on onlyfans that's my main subscription page um. I'm also on fancy me. Um. They just they are written f? A n s y m? E? Um. It's a kind of new page, but we we try to fix the problem that you can only pay with credit card on OnlyFans or maybe with something else. But everybody is struggling. Lots of German people don't have a credit card.

Speaker 1: 28:21

Yes.

Speaker 2: 28:22

It gets like canceled all the time or something happens to it. They always tell me yeah, I just had to desubscribe and subscribe again because my credit card just I know I know all this, all this problems, but did you know?

Speaker 1: 28:36

because I tried by my own on OnlyFans you also, you have a wallet. You can put money on your wallet and buy Zipa or whatever. Also, I found a new fan platform. It's really new, but yeah, it's started in Germany but now it's also for US people and I tried it and I can tell you it's for it's a German platform, but it's for international. They have paypal, they have zipper, they have credit card. They have everything. Yeah, it's really nice. It's for based and also for base.

Speaker 1: 29:14

Have is the only fan platform who have um, um affiliate, really good affiliate program. So, um creator program. So, yeah, they, they are new, but they have all features. What do you need? Like OnlyFans, it's really, really, really cool and they have all payments. So this is amazing. Also, I got now a really cool how you call it traffic deal, so I can say maybe, for example, okay, I like to give 40% or 30% or whatever from my income for one user A company bring me. Yeah, so just for this user, I give, for example, 30% to this company and I got the user and it's the only platform who are doing this right now. It's amazing and, yeah, I will check it out. I will see how it works, but I started now and it works really well, also for US people. I also. They have trends and they have trends for Germany, they have trends for US, and I decided to do all my content in English because I also do it, of course, for OnlyFans yeah and it's.

Speaker 1: 30:36

It's good when, when a platform started and you are there when it started, you know how it is. Yeah, um and yeah, and they cooperate really cool with models. So, you don't right, I don't have any bugs or problems and if I have problems, I can send them a message or WhatsApp and they help me out. So, yeah, maybe that's also a good idea because, yeah, the thing is, if you have a good platform but you don't have any payments, the platform don't convert yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2: 31:15

That's why we try to keep it kind of small, at least with the platforms that we do advertise for yeah, you have a few more, where we usually don't um say that we actually post there, because it's getting confusing and at some point we have.

Speaker 1: 31:32

We have like, uh, four platforms, four subscription platforms, where we upload um, but we only promote two, and and can I tell you, this is also one thing if you bring the user, um, you also get 10% for the user. Yeah, yeah, like strip chat Also. This is a good way to make, yeah, more money, because, yeah, so I started also on another German platform, but I can tell you you don't have an. You mentioned this platform also before, not your new one. But yeah, the thing is, if you bring users to the platform and you don't get some pros sent for it, this is horrible. Also, I ask the platform because if you post there, there's the, the logo from the company you know and not my link, and I say, hey, I like to have my link or my name on my pics and my videos, and that's not working yeah and I say oh no, what is this?

Speaker 1: 32:51

so yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2: 32:56

It's just not really model friendly, where you're not oriented towards the model's needs, and I think if you, if you have like models, tell you they need something fixed or in a different way, it's pretty good, especially if you're not only fans, that you actually tend to the models needs, because there is spots available for great alternatives to only fans. But you actually got to be attractive to the models most of all yes, yes and that's it, yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1: 33:30

Another thing there come tons of fan platforms up, but yeah, yeah, can I tell you, and a lot of them have technical problems, or yeah, yeah yeah, only time will tell which ones are gonna last. We'll see, yeah yeah, but but tell us more. Why do you like your platforms? You are in, so only fans. We we know about only fans, but tell us a little bit more about your platforms, why you are there yeah, so.

Speaker 2: 34:02

so the second platform we have, that's not OnlyFans, we use FancyMe.

Speaker 1: 34:10

FancyMe. Yeah, you mentioned this before.

Speaker 2: 34:12

yeah, that one is basically our alternative that we found.

Speaker 1: 34:17

And you put your love inside right.

Speaker 2: 34:20

Yeah, yeah, we basically do the same stuff that we do on OnlyFans, but it's also you can access with all the different payment methods and stuff, and they are also model friendly. We were actually talking with 4Base like two years ago when they started out. Something didn't work out. I don't know what didn't work out. We will probably have to check again because I don't know what didn't work out.

Speaker 1: 34:47

It, uh, we will probably have to check again because I don't know you have to in my point it's they have really cool features and also I like the traffic program yeah but yeah, and and you know, two years ago is two years ago and I can tell you everything right now.

Speaker 1: 35:04

Of course, right now works fine on the platform. They have voice messages, they have everything. You can rename the user, you can make notes to the user and, of course, the payment is. But every platform have their own users, so it's good I also get some users from the platform, so that was also really nice to me. Yeah, but yeah and that's true.

Speaker 2: 35:34

We also have people who just um stay on one of our platforms where there are not so many users because we don't advertise it, but they just want to be there because they have always been there. That's the way it always was, and so they just want to be subscribed there.

Speaker 1: 35:50

I know, I know, I know this and you are streaming on both right StripChat and Chatrobate.

Speaker 2: 35:57

Yes, yes, we're doing stream at the same time. You know, you could say sometimes users say users say so yeah, oh, why are you streaming on a different side? It's it's not taking away from the user's experience. From our point of view, if we have a goal on strip chat and we have a goal on chat debate and one side reaches the goal of quick, more quicker, quickly, then the other side that was more slowly also gets action. So it's actually a way to have more things happening more frequently in your camp, because of course, we set different goals, so it's not all the time the same happening in the streams goals, so it's not all the time the same happening in the streams. But if one side is slow, the others may be faster and then one side gets action, even though they are maybe less people in the room. And if you do action, then more people come into the room and it gets more um, then they also start to tip more. So it really they help each other out hand in hand.

Speaker 2: 37:06

Yeah, not just for us, also for the user, because if you stream on one side and the stream is empty, there's basically nothing you can do. The stream is empty. You can't just start doing some action, because that defeats the purpose of tipping for action. If you always do action without tipping, they will never tip. So you have to wait in your empty room, nobody's tipping. But if you don't do anything, nobody's going to come in, and if nobody's coming in, nobody's gonna tip. So it's a vicious cycle. If you're just on one side and if you're on two sides, it's less likely to happen that you just get stuck in this. Nobody's here, nobody's tipping, so I can't do anything. Because I don't do anything, nobody's here, and because nobody's here, nobody's tipping.

Speaker 1: 37:52

So it's easier to have like understand it's multiple pages like I have also.

Speaker 1: 37:58

I also have to start and I have also to ask mr lingus again yeah, you should. You should start with an agency for models. I promise you to help them, because I think, yeah, you have, because I know a lot of strategies to bring traffic or to do the marketing. But in my case, you are one girl from Germany who did it really, really, really well with the tube marketing, with the streams, with the videos, because you were blowing up after four years so fast and it's crazy. It's crazy.

Speaker 2: 38:45

Yeah, well, the thing is we try to. He always helps people. So like you can just ask him and he's going to give you a few tips Always that for sure, stuff like that, what I'm saying. But usually for every model you need a different approach. Like some models maybe don't want to do the brute force action approach that we do, where you start out naked and then you just try to get like an action-packed stream that way, maybe you want to do a different approach. So it kind of these tips that he can give. If he just gives like generic tips, that doesn't help super much for the individual model. So we tried actually with a few people doing some, some collaborating on um, on helping them to get successful.

Speaker 2: 39:39

But it's hard to get people first of all to trust you yes we are because there's so many agencies, um, especially if you're maybe on instagram and you check your dms, even like it's full of agencies that want to help you. So it's a lot of people, even though they know us from camming on, they know that we're doing it for real, we're not just some scam. But sometimes they don't feel comfortable because a lot of people already got scammed or are afraid or they have just difficulty actually doing the stuff that we try to teach them.

Speaker 1: 40:21

So it's really. I know it's really hard to work with models. I know the same Also. You put all your energy inside the models and sometimes, yeah, you know what happens.

Speaker 2: 40:31

It's really ungrateful work, I got to say so we kind of you mentioned.

Speaker 1: 40:36

That's the right word. That's the right word. Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2: 40:40

Yeah, so we kind of stopped doing one-on-one help.

Speaker 1: 40:43

Yeah, and also I think you are really professional, you both, of course you're both. I cite you because in my eyes you are always together, you know, but, um, also, how you are handling business with fan platforms, because we are was also working together, um, when I work it for another fan platform and you was always so nice to me and so professional and yeah, you don't have it so often, you know. That was also yeah, yeah, you know how to do the business.

Speaker 2: 41:19

It's really nice yeah, well, thank you. I think being like nice to people is also really important, because there are so many, so many problems and conflicts between models already. I'm I don't really engage in that at all mr ling is sometimes a little bit sassy. He like, he likes to, he likes to engage and like, uh, really discuss topics and have he has like a really strong opinion that he often wants to. But I like it, I like it and he's right.

Speaker 1: 41:53

You know often he's right so I can say on my opinion when I discussed some things with him yeah, so he's super active.

Speaker 2: 42:05

He's always saying that it's him um, like uh, texting in model groups and stuff and he loves, I love it yeah, he loves to discuss uh stuff there, but he always makes sure people know it's not me being sassy, uh, it's him being sassy, yeah okay, okay, okay for me he, he's always, of course, respectful and stuff he, he just yes he is yes, yes, and he know he knows what he's talking about.

Speaker 1: 42:38

That is also what I like, so if he started something, he is often right, yeah yeah, that's that's also like the point, how you get successful.

Speaker 2: 42:47

You, you gotta, you gotta know somebody who knows how to do it, or um, yeah, that's basically the only way. You basically need someone who can tell you how to do it, because it's very hard finding it out for yourself, especially on complicated streaming platforms like ChatterBase.

Speaker 1: 43:06

Yeah, that's the next point. So please send me your ref link for model for ChatterBase after our stream. Yeah, I get it Because I think I will have. I think I will have another questions after the stream.

Speaker 2: 43:26

Yeah, for sure, here, we can for sure do that, thank you. I don't know if they have a great affiliate program, the sites that are more established, they kind of start to like roll.

Speaker 1: 43:42

But maybe we can find a good deal. I think so yeah we'll see. For sure. Okay, so is there a chance for models who like to start in the industry or who are right now in the industry but like to learn from you, to work with you both, so, for example, that you coach them or whatever? And yeah, is there a chance so that they can contact you after the podcast?

Speaker 2: 44:11

Yeah, I've got my email linked into my Instagram account, so you can just use that email, or you can. Or you can just use my regular email that I use also for fans, but it's fine, it's not getting so much traffic so far. Um, it's um. It's dinerana at gmailcom. Diner is a German word, uh spelled D, e, I, n, e, um, and Ana just has one N, um, so those.

Speaker 1: 44:48

I also will write it under our podcast and I will write it in descriptions. But it's really good to know that there's an option we usually switch with models to like telegram or whatsapp.

Speaker 2: 45:03

I just don't want to leak that stuff.

Speaker 1: 45:05

I understand. So, models, I can tell you, in my opinion, if you like to start an industry, or if you are right now in the industry and like to grow, just contact Anna and Mr Lingus. They are the perfect team to help you and they know a lot about the industry. Also, tube marketing, social media, streaming, anything, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2: 45:43

Thanks very much for saying that, yeah.

Speaker 1: 45:50

It's really nice, yeah, it's. It's like this, because I know a lot of people and, um, a lot of people don't do, for example, tube marketing, or they don't do it right or, yeah, they didn't make it to us. You know, and yeah, yeah, you are growing a lot and, yeah, it's not so much. It's not so easy in these times anymore.

Speaker 2: 46:14

Yeah, we noticed, by the way, that in Germany, but also in Europe in general, it's very there's a lot of judgmental people about the mask thing.

Speaker 2: 46:26

You don't have really yeah it's horrible, but the us is not at all. It's really surprising that the people are are really respectful and actually say that, that they think it's a good thing, they think it's recognizable and at least you don't have to understand why somebody is doing something Like there's weird fetishes or whatever and you can't just judge anybody on whatever they do in their videos. And they really understand over there that, okay, I want to collab with a certain person. They might do something differently than I am doing them, but it's working out for them, so why judge that if it's working out? There's no yeah, why?

Speaker 1: 47:14

why?

Speaker 2: 47:14

why the people always must judge and there's like really successful, well-established people that are like yeah, of course you're wearing a mask, perfectly fine, no problem, it's working out for you great. And here in germany, or in europe in general, notice it also um. We went to budapest, for example. There was people like laughing um about the fact that I'm wearing a mask when we try to yeah it's. It's really rough in europe.

Speaker 1: 47:43

That's, hey, that's your, your marketing. Everyone knows you about the mask.

Speaker 2: 47:49

Yeah, yeah, that's how it became. That's really nice. That's a really good one.

Speaker 1: 47:53

Hello Also the people on Pornhub. Without a face, no face girls make tons of money, so yeah, that's a problem?

Speaker 2: 48:02

Yeah, that's true and that's for sure. It's for like uh, a certain a big recognizability, like there's a there's faceless uh accounts and I think it's hard to recognize. Um, for me you just need one frame, you know who it is from. Like faceless, it's a little bit more difficult to know who you are. Some people, like leo Lulu, they have like the lighting down. There's like the lighting in the room is like always a specific way. They always have nice lighting on their bodies. So you also recognize Leo Lulu, but with a lot of different faceless accounts sometimes there's not a lot of recognizability Because if you don't have a face, it's kind of hard to like just be recognized by your body or something yes, yes, yes um.

Speaker 1: 48:56

You will be in berlin, right yeah nice. Um. So, guys, if you don't know it, there's a big convention in October in Berlin, really big sex convention, and I will be there with my podcast. Also, anna will be there. Anna, I have also to pick you up with Mr Lingos for my pod in Berlin. There is no chance that you don't come inside my pod yeah, we should do it for sure.

Speaker 2: 49:30

I would love it yeah also.

Speaker 1: 49:33

Um, I think also we have to do a second episode with you because you know a lot. The problem is, if we do the podcast too long, nobody can listen anymore after 40 minutes. Yeah, for some models Also, I know for models, also new models it's a lot of input. So maybe you will be open for a second episode. That will be really, really, really nice. Maybe also we can do it with mr lingus together, maybe you can definitely do that.

Speaker 1: 50:11

Oh, this is, oh my god, this is so cool because, yeah, maybe he can tell us also something from the technical side, and oh my god, this will be amazing yeah, this will be yeah.

Speaker 2: 50:22

Yeah, he definitely loves to talk a lot. Maybe the people, um, you guys can ask some questions, because I'm I bet it was hard to understand a few things because I talk fast and I give a lot of input, but you can just ask a few questions and next time we can answer them yes, oh my god, this is so amazing.

Speaker 1: 50:44

this is amazing, perfect, really cool. I think we will do this. Anna, do you like to say a little bit more, or like to tell us something? What new models have to know about the industry, or anything? Just stay consistent anything.

Speaker 2: 51:10

Just stay consistent. Yeah, it's really, it's really hard, so hard. It depends on who you are, what your, what your plans are. What is the most important thing I think about being, like, recognized? That's like my most my issue. Um, if you show your face, just be aware what is going to happen, be aware of, maybe talk to somebody who has been in the industry for a long time, what has happened to them and what are their experiences from showing their face and doing certain stuff. And maybe talk to some people who manage to keep their private life very private. And maybe talk to some people who manage to keep their private life very private. Or, if you want to hide your face, talk to some masked people or no-face people. So you have to find the right entrance, like the right entry.

Speaker 1: 51:56

Really good point.

Speaker 2: 51:58

Where you don't maybe start out with showing your face and then you remember ah, I didn't want to show, maybe I just wanted to be no-face, and then it's too late.

Speaker 1: 52:15

Yeah, so it's really important to think about it first how you want to start and then start, uh, yeah, okay. And also, you know, forget if I, if I would have a second chance to start in the industry, I will, will do it your way yeah to do it with the mask, because also this marketing is amazing, yeah, amazing. You know six, six. I would like to use a full mask, like you.

Speaker 2: 52:41

That is so cool yeah, you can also have like a pretty mask, like miss lexa, for example um, she's a very famous creator who's like have a small little venetian mask. That's not gonna keep your parents and friends from recognizing you, but you're gonna be able to walk on the street. So there's also different levels of hiding your identity, depending on how much you want your privacy. So far it's working out great. We have lots of privacy, nobody is recognized. It's having a great time, yeah, but that's not the norm, unfortunately. But I just wanted to say that because that's like the most important part is how do you start, and also that you don't accidentally start with doing like couple streams and maybe you wanted to be a solo model that does just soft core, for example.

Speaker 2: 53:41

Yeah, I understand you just got to know what and if you're not sure, start with less and do more later, because after you've done a lot like it's hard to get it off the Internet, so just think about it first.

Speaker 1: 53:58

Think twice before you start.

Speaker 2: 54:01

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:02

Yeah, and make your strategy before.

Speaker 2: 54:05

Yeah.

Speaker 1: 54:06

At least a little bit the most important parts, yeah yeah, yeah, anna, thank you so much that you make the time, because I know you are really, really, really busy with mr lingus yeah, of course I see you the next time for the second episode with you. I think the people can't wait. And yeah, thank you so much. I will also meet you at the venus in person yeah, I'm really happy about it yeah, yeah and yeah. Let's talk again in the second episode with you yeah, let's do that.

Speaker 2: 54:42

Thanks for having me, thank you so much.

Speaker 1: 54:47

Bye, bye, bye.