Speaker 1: 0:08

Welcome to another episode of my Sisters in Cash podcast. This podcast is featured by ModelSearchercom, your adult-friendly social media platform. So today is my guest, Tilly Toy.

Speaker 2: 0:29

Hi, thank you so much for having me.

Speaker 1: 0:33

Tilly, please tell us a little bit about you, because I know you now a long time and I think also a lot of people from the industry does. But yeah, tell us a little bit about you.

Speaker 2: 0:46

So I've been in the industry now. Actually, I've been in the industry now 10 years. I can officially say I've been in the industry a decade this year because I got in to the adult industry when I was 18 and started dancing and I am now 28. So I'm officially a 10-year veteran of the industry. I'm so proud of that.

Speaker 2: 1:05

And yeah, so I danced, um I. I did a short little stint, a one year stint, as a um, as a pro dominatrix, and that was really fun. I was really young and so it was very um, it was really good for my character building and my um, not problem problem solving skills, that would be the wrong but like conflict resolutions skills and being able to stand my ground and be assertive. It actually taught me so many little little life skills and like how to really like talk to somebody and and be firm with them, because I was always a very shy sweet, you know, if we had a disagreement I would probably just be like, oh, okay, sure, Like you can have it your way.

Speaker 2: 1:53

Like I was, I always was the one to just like fold because I'm hard to bother. So I'm usually like, yeah, sure, you want it that way, whatever, but it really taught me how to stand my ground and be assertive and more dominant and how to like tap into that side of me which has helped me massively through the rest of my career. So I, even if doming is not your thing, I always recommend to people like give it a try, Just just role play it. Even if it's just you in the bathroom mirror, role play it a little bit because it's. If it's just you in the bathroom mirror, role play it a little bit because it's. It's a huge like character building, life skill practice and if you do it as a dominatrix then it's also kind of fun it is and then transitioned into the online industry.

Speaker 2: 2:40

And now here I am.

Speaker 1: 2:43

Nice, nice. So why you started in the industry?

Speaker 2: 2:51

I loved to dance, I know you tell me this before.

Speaker 2: 2:57

Yeah. So when I was 18, me and some girlfriends, we all were 18. And so we were all sitting there like, okay, look, we're, we're 18, now what do we go do? So we went to a hookah bar, because that's what you do when you turn 18. That's what you're finally allowed to do. So we went to a hookah bar and gave ourselves all a massive headache, smoking hookah until we, like, could not breathe anymore and and it's, and it was like only midnight maybe, when we were finally like, okay, this is a lot of hookah. Now, what do we do? And so we were like, well, and it may have been my idea, but I was like, well, we could go to the strip club, cause there's an 18 hour strip club.

Speaker 2: 3:42

And we, we lived like maybe an hour North of Portland, oregon, up in like the mountains in club and we lived like maybe an hour north of Portland, oregon, up in like the mountains in Washington. So we're like some small town backwoods girls and we're like let's go to the strip club. And so I was like my brother told me about it, like we're going to go, and so we all loaded back into the Honda and rolled down into Portland, found this strip club which it's it's called the Golden Dragon. It's still there. It used to be a Chinese restaurant and it called also called the Golden Dragon. And then somebody bought it and turned it into a strip club and they didn't want to change all of the decorations from the Chinese restaurant to a strip club, so they just kept it the Chinese restaurant to a strip club. So they just kept it and so it's like a Chinese, it's it's a golden dragon strip club. So it's like you're and it still has like a lot of the decorations. So when you walk in like it feels like you're walking into like a Chinese restaurant and like you're going to get some orange chicken and throw some ones or something. But so we walked in and we stayed for maybe like 20 minutes before. I was like, guys, I think I could do this. Like I was just enchanted by the whole thing, and it wasn't a super busy night I want to say it was like a Thursday or something, like it wasn't a weekend yet, but it was getting close to it and so we watched. We watched the dancers. You know, we spent the last of our money because I worked at Dairy Queen at the time, so we were not rich. And then we were like okay, I think I could do this. And my two friends are like, yeah, you could do this, you could definitely do this. Like you dance all the time. And I'm like, yeah, I think I can.

Speaker 2: 5:26

So I went back on Sunday because I asked one of the girls there. I was like how do I get a job here? She was like oh, just come in on Sunday and audition. I was like, okay. So I showed up on Sunday with nothing. I had no idea what audition meant or like I didn't even think about it. I just showed up. I was like this is where I want to be. I don't know what I need to do, but tell me and I'll do it.

Speaker 2: 5:51

So I walked in and the bouncer that was sitting at the desk to like check IDs and stuff. He's like, what's up? Like I want a job. And he's like, okay, you're going to audition. I was like, yeah, sure, whatever I need to do, what, what do I need to do? And he like points at the stage, which has like five people sitting at it, which luckily it's a Sunday, so five isn't that many. But he points at the stage. He's like, well, you just get up there and do two songs and we tell you if you're hired or not. And I was like, oh, in front of the customer, like I didn't know, I had no clue, was my, I'd only been in a strip club twice. So I said, sure, I'll do it, even though I had nothing with me. And he was like, do you have shoes? And I was like, no, I'll just do it barefoot. And he was like, okay, crazy lady.

Speaker 1: 6:41

I was like yeah, like don't even worry about it.

Speaker 2: 6:43

I'm like I'll come back with shoes. And so he had one of the other girls take me back to the locker room. And she was like, yeah, you can put yourself here. Do you have anything? Do you, do you need to borrow anything? And I was like, no, I'm just going to do it in this. And she's like, well, what are you wearing? And I was like I don't know. And so I took off my pants, my shirt, and I'm in like a leopard print bra and purple underwear like not, not cute underwear, like just whatever I happened to throw on that day and barefoot. And I was like, yeah, sure, this is what I like I'm here, I'm ready for it. And she was like are you sure you're ready? And I'm like, yeah, I'm ready for it. And she was like, are you sure you're ready? And I'm like, yeah, I'm ready. And so I went out there, did two songs and got hired, on the condition that I came back with shoes. But that's how I got this is crazy yeah, I was.

Speaker 2: 7:42

Just I knew I wanted to be there, I was very eager and I'm very I'm a very shameless person and always have been, so it's hard to embarrass me. Like, looking back on it, I'm like, man, I was 18 and showed up with nothing and was totally unprepared, like I maybe could have been embarrassed by that and like, oh whoops, like I don't know, I'm out of my element but instead I was just like you know what like? I'll just do it barefoot. It's fine guys, I promise but why the but?

Speaker 1: 8:14

but why the other girls give you some closes.

Speaker 2: 8:17

Haven't give you some closes there were only like three girls there because it was a Sunday night and so I think they were all just kind of entertained by me coming in to dance barefoot.

Speaker 2: 8:29

They were like, yeah, you'll be fine, and I was, I made like 20 bucks and I was like, whoa, I made 20 bucks in two songs, like I was so stoked about that because I had been working at Dairy Queen before this, and when I wasn't working at Dairy Queen, my friends and I would go up to the you Pick it blueberry farms in the summer and we would start at like five or six in the morning, pick a bunch of blueberries like these big five gallon buckets of blueberries, and then the farmer would pay us by the pound for how many blueberries we picked. Instead of like having like employees, it was a way to like go make extra money. So we would go pick blueberries and I worked at Dairy Queen, so to make 20 bucks in like two songs. I was, I was hooked. I was so into it and I'd already been in college for two years at this time too.

Speaker 2: 9:22

So I started college when I was 16 and I had already tried all the things that I thought I had wanted to do as a career and kind of discovered quickly that none of them excited me. I didn't. I didn't feel good about any of them. I could do them all. I was capable of it. They're all easy enough to learn it and do it, but I didn't. I had thought I wanted to be like a psychologist and then I thought I wanted to be a therapist and then I was like maybe I want to be a teacher, I don't know. And so I tried all these different things like all over. I tried every major there was at this college by the time I was 18.

Speaker 2: 10:00

And I was like the only thing that has made me excited about going to work, or the future or the money that I'm making, was a strip club, and that's like I don't like the stigma around it that that's like the last resort. You like you can't make money anywhere else, or like you're stuck and you have to do it. Because that was like it was a gift to me. It was my freedom, finally, and my way of like the first step on a path that makes me so happy, and that that job brought me so much joy, taught me so much about myself and about life and made me such a strong person.

Speaker 2: 10:47

I would not trade those years for anything ever. It was incredible. So, yeah, stripping is near and dear to my heart and sometimes I even think I'm like maybe I could go back and work like two days a week or something at a strip club, just because I really do miss it. I miss a lot of it, but I'm just not so much of a night person anymore, so I'd probably be a day shift girl. I don't know. I think about it every now and then. My schedule is not consistent enough.

Speaker 1: 11:20

I know. So about your schedule, can you tell us what you are doing exactly now or what you was doing the last days?

Speaker 2: 11:34

and the last years and anyone who's been in the industry for a year even knows that from January to December things change a lot and what your customers want from you changes a lot. What social media wants from you changes a lot. It's always like a 360 turnaround over the 12-month course of the year. So my schedule just kind of has to flow with that. You have to remain so flexible and and I do I like to make lists. I always have like five notepads right here for some reason. I love to make lists. I love my calendars. My Google calendar is like, so like color quoted and organized, but it does not really help me predict what I'm going to be doing next month. I I can usually get like a week out planned of. This is what my my days are going to look like, and I think you just have to kind of be okay with that If you're going to be in the industry.

Speaker 2: 12:44

I do know people who stay very consistent and have it like kind of a nine to five, like they have a really good schedule around it. Usually those are people who do live performances so like, who are streaming where and interacting with people on a regular basis. So if they're not live from, you know, 2 to 5 PM Monday through Friday, or if they stay, live like on a consistent schedule so that way the customers who are also on a similar schedule can consistently be there. Those girls typically seem to have a more consistent schedule than I do, typically seem to have a more consistent schedule than I do. I and part of it is that like I could kind of narrow it all down and have like a Monday through Friday schedule, but I don't like it.

Speaker 2: 13:43

I've learned, I've tried that I did go in like 2021. I went like three or four months on the same schedule, which was the last time that has ever happened where I had, uh, my like Monday, wednesday and Friday were my shoot days, so I had a break in between them, so I wasn't doing makeup and setting up the room every single day, it was every other day and I would film those days. And then on Tuesdays and Thursdays and Saturdays so the opposite days I would do all of the editing and posting and all that and be able to stay like in my pajamas all day. So that was nice. And then I had Sundays off, off, kind of. I mean, we're never off, we are never off.

Speaker 2: 14:26

Social media is part of the job, so we off. My day is off. My mom actually got after me like two months ago. I said something about how I was. Like you know, what I did the other day is I went and I got a massage and I did a massage and IV therapy, did a little shopping, and then I went home and just slept all day and woke up and had dinner and went back to bed and she was like, wow, you took an actual day off. And I was like, oh, is that what? That was so and it made me realize that I haven't actually taken a day off in a long time before that and maybe not since then. I'm pretty bad at it Trying to prioritize that more.

Speaker 1: 15:17

So, so, just for the people outside. So after the strip club you started to create content, right, yes, yeah, after the strip club you started to create content, right.

Speaker 2: 15:25

Yes, yeah, after the strip club I danced for two, maybe three years, I think I danced for three years. I danced less consistently on the third year because I was also doing. I did the dominatrix thing for a year, roughly also while dancing, so that was kind of supplementing the income in a way that I could do. I danced less because I was getting tired of the night shift and the club that I worked at, because I stayed at the Golden Dragon, actually as my home base. I really loved that club.

Speaker 1: 15:58

It's already your home base. Your home base.

Speaker 2: 16:01

It was my home base, yeah, at that time. So I I would dance there from like I get there at like 10 or 11 and then dance until like three, four or five in the morning and be leaving when the sun was coming up, and that at that club. That is when I made the most money and did the best. So I didn't want to move the schedule. If I was going to dance there, I was going to do it the right way and make the most I could. I was getting tired of the night shift and I had danced at the other clubs. The other clubs were alcohol at them and that was fine, but I really just preferred I didn't want to sit and have a drink and talk to people. I wanted to be on stage the whole time. And there's there were clubs for that, but just none that were close to me and that I liked and wanted to be at.

Speaker 2: 16:55

So I just kind of started to transition to day jobs. So I got a job as a diamond broker. So I was like you know, I need something consistent during the day. I've got all this free time during the day. I'm going to do that. I got a job as a diamond broker for a little bit and it was really boring. Fun, the people were good, but it was boring. And the guy I was dating at the time was like, hey, I keep getting asked by these girls to join their premium Snapchat. What is this? Have you heard of this? And I was like, oh yeah, like we, we used to charge people for to get our Snapchat from us.

Speaker 1: 17:36

OK, so you started to film content after the strip club, right?

Speaker 2: 17:44

Right, yes, so I was dancing for maybe just about three years and although I loved it, I was not super big on the night shift and you know just the club atmosphere and dealing with people, drunk people every single night can be kind of exhausting. So I started, I moved it down to cause I was dancing like four to five days a week when I first started, cause I was all about it and then I was like this is kind of burning me out and I don't have any room for a social life outside of this because my social battery is being drained every night entertaining drunk people.

Speaker 2: 18:32

So I know, I know this conversations, yeah, like just constantly talking to people and listening to them and their problems, and people will dump their problems on a dancer. I, we're like therapists, so you end up with all kinds of baggage being put on you and at the end of the night you have to kind of like shrug it all off, get your own space and bubble back, but you don't really want to go see people again after that. So I my social life kind of went down because I also, like my social life became the strip club I mean that that's where all my friends worked too. So it's like you know what, like my life is starting to revolve around this and I'm in such a night owl now and I am a really like I'm a daytime person person I love to be outside so it was kind of taking away from the things that really make me happy outside of work, and I needed to.

Speaker 2: 19:34

I just needed a little change. So I moved it down to dancing two nights a week, just on Friday, saturday. You know the money nights and the money nights I like the money.

Speaker 2: 19:45

And then during the week, at first I was living in Beaverton, oregon, and I was boarding dogs and had like a little dog sitting business at my apartment, cause I was living with two other 20 year old girls and I was like you guys mind if I fill this apartment with dogs? And they were like please fill it with dogs. So we would have like five dogs over at a time while I was dancing on the weekends and all week we would be watching dogs. And I would have them on the weekends too, cause I was gone only overnight and then I'd wake up at like 6.00 AM Cause there was always like some puppy there that wanted to be walked. So I'd get up early, walk them, take a nap, walk them again and just got to be outside hanging out with the animals all day long. It was so great. And then Friday, saturday night I would go dance and make extra cash, and so it kind of it was kind of perfect for a while.

Speaker 2: 20:40

And then I started to date this guy that lived like an hour away, and so then I was kind of juggling, dancing and my little dog business and if I wanted to go spend any time with him. It was like way out of the way so I couldn't leave the dog. So I was like, okay, this isn't sustainable and I like to travel, I like to leave. Maybe the dog business isn't right for me because I can't even go visit someone an hour away. It's getting really inconvenient unless I want to like hire somebody, and I'm not ready to scale this business in my apartment. So then I got a job as a diamond broker and started doing that full-time and stopped dancing and just just was a diamond broker. And I made it about two months. I made it like through the training that was taking up my brain's power at the time. But once I got through it and I was just in the role of diamond broken, I was so bored.

Speaker 2: 21:36

So the guy I was dating was like, well, hey, what's up with all these girls? Cause he used to be a bouncer at strip clubs, so he knows a ton of strippers too. He's kind of from the industry as well, not quite in the same way, but uh, he knew a bunch of dancers and he was like, why, like, all these girls are selling Snapchat, now what is up with that? And I was like, oh, yeah, like at the strip club. All your customers want your number and it's not safe to just be giving your number out to a bunch of random people at a strip club.

Speaker 2: 22:11

So we would start, we started just doing Snapchat and I would charge 20 bucks for my Snapchat username and then I'd post like sexy pictures on there and when I'm going to be at work and all that, and it was a good way to make 20 bucks and and stay in touch with your with your customers. It was a super beneficial thing and they got to feel special and good, cause they had like a direct contact with you that felt a little more intimate than like just following you on Instagram or something. They had a space where they could message me and ask about work or whatever, if I was going to be there or send a tip or whatever. So I was like oh yeah, like I still have like a good like a hundred people on my Snapchat that have paid me $20 over the years. And he was like well, these girls are charging monthly. I was like what? So I reached out to one of my friends and I was like, hey, that I saw her doing it. I was like what are you doing here? She was like oh, dude, I'm just charging 30 bucks a month or like 60 for three months and I just post like myself like in the shower and stuff on the story and that's and they're just paying for like a subscription to watch that, and I was like I could do that. So so I posted to my other Snapchat story that I had like all of my regular people on. I was like I'm no longer dancing. I'm sure you guys figure that one out, but if you want to stay in touch with me 20 bucks a month and I'll be on this other Snapchat. And so right away I got like a good like 20 people that were like yep, sign me up, I'm here. And then I used my following Cause I also had a page, an Instagram page, for like my dancing. So I also advertised there and just kind of like slowly started pulling people in and then it turned into.

Speaker 2: 24:13

It went from that to, I think, when it got to like its peak time, well, actually. So it got up to like about 75 members and I was keeping track of all of this on a Microsoft Excel sheet, really, of when. Yeah, on an Excel sheet of who paid, when they paid, how many months they bought and when I needed to renew or remove them. But because we were doing everything over like cash app, I would have to when it. When it was time for them to renew or remove them. But because we were doing everything over like cash app, I would have to when it. When it was time for them to renew, I'd have to reach out to them and say, hey, I had like this little copy and paste message of like hey, your subscription is up, it's time to renew it, and like a little link to pay me. And then I'd have to like put down that I sent that and then mark off if they paid, or I'd send them a follow up message and it. It was a lot of work. Once I got to 75 people.

Speaker 1: 25:12

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 25:13

A lot of a lot to keep track of and I was very organized, but it was still becoming like. It was very time consuming and it was still growing. So I was like this is going to get like unmanageable really soon. So I started to look for a solution to my problem and I found fan central and they had a Snapchat like. They had it designed for Snapchat, so like how only fans has like the subscription and the wall and everything, and I'd like most closely compare that to like Instagram. Fan central had all that, but they also had the option to sell your Snapchat subscription through there at the time and that was a game changer for me so I could direct everyone there. It auto build them, so I didn't have to chase it down every single month and if somebody's card bounced or they canceled, I just got a notification when their subscription was up to remove them, and if somebody signed up, I just got a notification to add them and it made my life so much easier. So I think I ended up scaling it to like I don't remember the actual number. I feel like I had like two, two or 3000 people on my Snapchat and I raised it to 30 bucks a month. Yeah, it got, it got huge.

Speaker 2: 26:37

And then Snapchat said we don't like you guys selling porn on our platform and monetizing it like this. So they started shutting down, Like it was you pretty much couldn't do it. Like they really cracked down on it for a good couple months and made it really hard and so I lost a lot of my following thanks to that and, uh, it was really stressful and a ton of work because I'd also quit my job as a diamond broker because I'd been doing so well. My job is a diamond broker because I've been doing so well and all of a sudden, that was like falling to pieces.

Speaker 2: 27:12

So I made an OnlyFans at that time Cause I was like I I'm losing all this traffic. I had all these people who are willing to spend 30 bucks a month to see me and I'm losing them. So I made an OnlyFans to try and grab some of those people over. Not a great conversion rate, honestly, between Snapchat and that. Via Snapchat you can hide from your wife and OnlyFans you can't. And FanCentro, when it charged you, it does not pop up as FanCentro premium Snapchat on your bill, when OnlyFans pops up as OnlyF premium Snapchat on your bill where only fans pops up as only fans on your statement.

Speaker 1: 27:53

Like it's also if you, if you, if you put your credit card inside only fans. You can read it that if, if they will charge something from you on the invoice, there will stay only fans.

Speaker 2: 28:07

It says only fans. Yeah, so my god.

Speaker 1: 28:12

A friend of me and me two days ago because he had to check something on my OnlyFans and he's also like 20 years in industry and he said I never saw so much shit like this, why the guys are doing this. This is so crazy. I say yeah yeah it's.

Speaker 2: 28:42

I wish it didn't say that because, honest, we would have so many more customers if it had a more inconspicuous name on the billing statement. That's like I mean why, sex is online, they come in a black box because they they know that you don't. I know people to know and I feel like that's been an unspoken thing, for, like every other cam site when it charges customers I don't know of a single other one that pops up.

Speaker 1: 29:16

But for German people. For German people you don't have it in US, I think, but for German people on Fan Central you can use pay. It's a card where you can put money on it.

Speaker 2: 29:30

Oh, really easy.

Speaker 1: 29:31

Yeah, it's like you go to a gas station, you have a card and you can put money on the card.

Speaker 2: 29:40

Discretion. It's important in our industry. I know. Onlyfans totally missed that boat.

Speaker 1: 29:46

But also in Germany right now. Some German platforms have right now PayPal and something.

Speaker 2: 29:54

You don't know PayPal.

Speaker 1: 29:55

Right, you don't have PayPal in the US.

Speaker 2: 29:59

We do, but I don't think for the sites. No.

Speaker 1: 30:02

Yeah, in Germany they work now with a coin based on the platform, so they started to use PaySafe PayPal.

Speaker 2: 30:15

Yeah, that would be really nice. The US needs to catch up on some things you do, okay.

Speaker 1: 30:25

So you started to create content. I know I was also a content creator for Snapchat. So about the shows because can you tell a little bit the guys about the shows you was doing on your secret snap that they understand what you was uploading?

Speaker 2: 30:47

so I, when I first started, I didn't really know what to do. So I actually I asked my I was like what are you guys posting? Like just just so I know, because we had a lot of crossover of our customers because we all danced at the same clubs in Portland or you know all strip club regulars. They go to all of them and they have their favorites, whatever. And so I was asking my friends, I'm like, what are you guys posting? And I had one friend who she was like every time I take a shower I just post stuff in the shower.

Speaker 2: 31:21

And so we all started following each other too to see what, to kind of get an idea of what we were all doing and get inspirations. We all started following each other and and this was before I found fan center this is when I was just starting so we all started following each other. And, um, I was. And I had also found, um, oh, I think it was many vids or clips for sale at the time. And I was like, oh well, I can take what I'm posting here and post it and sell it again over here, so why wouldn't I?

Speaker 2: 31:55

And so I started doing that too. I would film it and post it and then so I was starting to kind of do like these were like my baby shows. Like I, I didn't have the idea of a show in my head yet. It was still like, oh, I just need to post something. And it wasn't a show to me yet until I met Melrose Melrose Michaels who I love and and adore and she was also doing snapchat at the time and she I have to give her so much credit because she taught me so much. Like she, she helped my career immensely. Like, I owe her everything, so much love and I love her so with all my heart.

Speaker 1: 32:47

I love her honestly. I learned a lot from her too she.

Speaker 2: 32:52

I love her brain, like, oh my god, like she's gorgeous, but her brain, oh she's. She's an incredible woman.

Speaker 2: 32:59

So I know she was like, well, we need it. Like it's a show, like there's a beginning, a middle and an end, and I was like oh show. And so she and I were following each other's Snapchats and I got so much inspiration from her. I was always just blown away by the content that she was making and the way that she was doing her shows. So I was like, okay, there's my inspiration.

Speaker 2: 33:28

I want to be like Mel one day and started to do shows with a storyline and found, just kind of naturally found, that I loved to do role plays and I would have never known that because I had never had like a intimate partner that I role played with.

Speaker 2: 33:50

You know, like I feel like because of like movies and things like that, like role playing has been made fun of so much because it is funny, but it's been made fun of so much and like there's all like the scenes in the movies of like people being like so over the top in the costumes and like they're always like the crazy sex couple too, like they're like doing the weird role plays.

Speaker 2: 34:14

So that is kind of that's how the how it was painted in mainstream media to me growing up, and so that's how I've like I've interpreted role play as like over the top crazy, like you're trying way too hard to be sexy, just have sex. That's kind of how I interpreted role playing. And then I started doing shows where I needed some sort of story and that naturally took me into role-playing and I found that I loved it. It's so much fun. Like I feel so bad for ever having like that, that opinion of it. I understand why I had it and I think a lot of people do have it, but oh my gosh, role-playing is so fun, and as a so because I'm still a solo content creator um, so you've got your first inspiration from Mel.

Speaker 1: 35:13

Yeah, and when I started on Snapchat, I also saw your shows and what I noticed it was like you had always really cool backgrounds. You created every day a new show. Right, but you had always a new story, a new outfit, and this was so cool. You had a lot of ideas. So can you tell the models a little bit how it's working that you was creating for every for the last years? Every day new show.

Speaker 2: 35:55

Yes, yeah, because I did that in 2020. I filmed 300 shows.

Speaker 1: 36:04

Wow, just as a solo content creator right alone, I filmed, and you and you filmed it with your phone, correct?

Speaker 2: 36:14

yep, yeah, yeah, and I regret filming them all like portrait, like snapchat style, because they're not very useful. I'm still doing this, yes there's so many of these, I'll do something with them, but still so, I kept it interesting because that was that it can get boring quick, especially if, like, you're using just your bed or your bedroom and that's the only space Like I was lucky enough to have a room to myself to film in. Like we had a spare room that I could use, but I saw your room.

Speaker 1: 36:52

I saw your room. It was so nice with the lights. I think you guys you had cool lights. I saw it.

Speaker 2: 36:59

I loved that room. Yeah, it was the spare room in the house, but I was living with, at that time, five other people, so it had people. So it had to stay. Yeah, it had to stay in that room and it was like they weren't like it wasn't like a bunch of like 20 year old girls again, like I was living with grownups that did not want. You know, out of respect for them, I wasn't going to move it outside of that room. So, in my case, I had I didn't have a whole room, but I only had that one room to make all these shows. So I made 300 shows in one room in 2020.

Speaker 1: 37:36

300 shows in one room.

Speaker 2: 37:39

Yes, yeah, and it was. It was challenging and I definitely reused outfits and scenes and everything. But what I did to keep it interesting was I actually have an acronym for it. It's my total system and so, oh my gosh, I haven't gone over it in a while. But total, it was theme outfit toy. Oh, what's the A? The L is location. It's been a minute. I'll come around to the A Outfit, Don't remember that one, but anyways. So first I would figure out, okay, what am I going to film today? And that was always where I would start, Like, what am I in the mood for? Am I kind of grumpy? Am I kind of happy? And I would always. I would take myself and how I'm feeling as my inspiration, unless you know somebody really nice yeah.

Speaker 2: 38:53

So, however, I was feeling is the show I'd be making. Because if I had scheduled out what shows I was going to film, and I'm like I'm gonna film this super cutesy, like school girl role play and be all bubbly and cute, and then I walk into it that day totally grumpy and, you know, kind of pissed off, and the grocery store was packed and there was traffic, and now I'm trying to film this like cute, happy thing, and I'm not cute and happy right now. It really doesn't work and it doesn't feel organic. So I would just go off of how I felt and what I wanted to do, how I was feeling. I'd think about like okay, so I've filmed a school girl thing and a JOI, and then like a sloppy blow job, this the last few days. What am I going to do today? That's different. I'm in kind of a bad mood. What am I going to do today? That's different. I'm in kind of a bad mood. I don't really want to give a lot right now. So I'm going to take I'm going to do a bossy kind of a punishment JOI, because that's the mood that I'm in, it suits me and my attitude right now better. So that's what I'm going to do. And then, oh, a is for angle. Ha, there we go.

Speaker 2: 40:12

I knew it would come to me while I'm talking about it, because I still, to this day, go through this process. So I think of the theme and I pull that from how I'm feeling and or how I'm dressed a lot of times, like I'll take a look at myself in the mirror and say I look like kind of a hippie today. Oh, let's do, let's do like a yoga role play. And you picked up the hippie girl at yoga class and now you just got her back to your house and you want to see what she's all about and what kind of, what kind of lover is she going to be. And then I get to role play this kind of hippie girl who wants to like stroke your cock and like, please, coconut oil, I'm all natural and like, cause it's, it's just fun. So I get to kind of like roll into whatever character I'm feeling, attitude, I'm feeling, whatever. So that's the theme.

Speaker 2: 41:03

That's the first T. Then the O is the outfit. And nowadays, especially back then, when I only had the one room I had, I would pull out whatever outfit I felt like wearing that day. Nowadays I actually use whatever I'm wearing for the day as the way that I start a lot of my shows, because I do like the role play and the realism of it and I do like to really make the show with how I'm feeling and what I'm doing, because then it's more authentic for me, it's it's, it's realer for me, and so they do get that, that true real emotion and and everything from me Like it's, like it's not a performance, so much it's me having fun.

Speaker 1: 41:52

So, especially nowadays, I start in what I'm wearing and role-playing and I honestly, I really like this because when you do it every day, like makeup your outfits, and it doesn't it's exhausting, yes, yes, and it's also not authentic anymore.

Speaker 2: 42:14

You know, no, it's not, it's really not. And so I do it like if I'm going to off camera just for myself, go masturbate, I'm not gonna change my clothes and get dressed up and put on makeup and go do that. I'm gonna go, no matter what fantasy I've got going on in my head, I'm just going to go roll into it from where I'm at comfortably, roll into that. And so I actually film from wherever I'm at, comfortably into where I want to be sexually, and I feel like the show's come off really well because it's it's genuinely me sharing it. So so, yeah, so the O is for outfit. So pick out your outfit. And I do not to say that I don't pick out outfits, cause I definitely dress up for my shows pretty often still, but I do almost always when I'm.

Speaker 2: 43:06

If I'm going to film like three shows, the first one is from the outfit I'm wearing. I know switch, yeah. So the other T is the toy. So that's just basic, like I decide if I'm going to use a pink vibrator or a dildo or whatever, and then or if I'm just going to use my hands, if there's even going to be a toy involved. And then the A is the angle, and I'm going to explain why all these these little factors are so important. So the A is the angle. So where? Where am I filming it from? If I'm sitting on the couch doing a dominant role play, that angle should be lower than me because I should be looking down. I should be dominant. If I'm going to be more submissive and bubbly, it helps for that angle to be straight on or to be above me, so that I look smaller and cuter and it fits the scene better. So there's that. And then the L is the location.

Speaker 2: 44:03

So am I going to film this on the bed or am I going to film it, like when it comes to solo content creating? Am I going to film it on the bed? And if I am filming on the bed, am I filming it at the edge of the bed? Am I sitting at the edge of the bed? Am I all the way on the bed? Are we going to move the camera to where I'm kind of on the corner of the bed? Because I can film three shows on the bed from different angles and that makes the show different every time If I'm going to sit on the edge of the bed for one, that's a completely different feeling.

Speaker 2: 44:41

Or with a straight on angle to straight on angle, sitting on the edge of the bed doing a JLI, and then I raised my camera up a little bit, get in the edge of the bed doing a JOI, and then I raise my camera up a little bit, get in the middle of the bed and kind of snuggle into it and do something cute and bubbly and fun and like come snuggle with me. That's a totally different feeling. Still in the same bed, I could still be in the same outfit, and it's a completely different feeling. And then we move it over to the corner of the bed at a lower angle and do something dominant and mean. And I'm sitting on the bed and you're not allowed to get into bed tonight because you've been bad. So you're going to sleep on the couch, but first I'm going to play with you like a toy. Totally different feeling, totally different feeling. So the angle makes a huge difference. You can film two, three different shows from the without moving your tripod, just moving the angle or just moving it a foot to the right or the left and just tilting it a little bit.

Speaker 2: 45:37

I also changed, like I have or I used to have since I've moved to Texas. I left a lot of stuff behind, but I used to have, like this closet of all these little tiny throw pillow covers and I would just swap out the color of the pillow, or like, take the pillows off the bed, put a different pillow on the bed. Or if I had like orange pillows behind and like white pillows in front, I just switch them and just like the blanket was on the bed and now it's off the bed, the bed was made. Now I messed up the bed and it's a totally different scene. It feels like a different day.

Speaker 2: 46:09

So, or keep in mind, when it comes to location, the couch is one location. The floor right in front of the couch is another location. You're still filming the couch, but the feeling is different when you move two feet lower onto the floor in front of the couch and now you're leaning against the couch instead of sitting on the couch. That's a completely different location, different show. So when you take each little factor the theme, the outfit, the toy, the angle, the location, when you tweak just one of them, boom, new show.

Speaker 2: 46:46

So that's how I filmed 300 shows in one room in 2020 was I would. I would pick out a corner of the room because I had so much stuff in that room that it was almost never clean, because I was also filming in there almost every day, and so I would say okay, I'm filming in the corner. Today I'm filming right over here. I had like a little tent with pillows and I would film a show from, and then I'd change the angle, swap some pillows, change my outfit, do another show, and then I'd change it again, and it would be like three or four shows in one corner but, they'd all be different.

Speaker 2: 47:27

And then the next time I filmed I'd filmed three or four on my little white couch, but they'd all be different. And then the next time I filmed I'd filmed three or four on my little white couch, but they'd all be different. Or I would have like, like this light over here that's, maybe I'd change it to blue and then it's different. So any little tiny thing that just they're not, things that even that somebody has to like notice, but passively our mind will say, will notice that things are different and it will feel like a different scene, a different day, a different time okay, and and I have another question with no makeup yeah, with the awesome, the makeup is a really interesting thing.

Speaker 2: 48:06

And then put makeup on or just turn the lights off.

Speaker 1: 48:11

So having your skylight.

Speaker 2: 48:13

Yeah, having the main light in the room on creates a more lit experience when, like right now, I have a ring light on me. So if I turned the light in the actual room off, there would be more of a nighttime feel to it, cause I'd only be getting lit by the ring light and everything else would be a little darker, and that changes the whole scene.

Speaker 1: 48:33

So it's a lot you could do okay, and so the last year social media goes away harder for the other creators. So from where you was bringing your traffic for snapchat?

Speaker 2: 48:53

um for snapchat. I was using share free shares with other girls who had snapchat was a huge one, and then, instagram.

Speaker 2: 49:04

Instagram was great and twitter. I think twitter probably brought more than instagram at the time. But my main polls during my snapchat era were Twitter and other people's Snapchats, and I would have a public Snapchat and a premium one. So I'd advertise the premium one on the public one. So I would be, so we'd me and my friends would constantly be sharing our free ones so that people would join them, and then I would post like the first two minutes of a show before I actually showed everything like that, like it's the role play leading up to it, and then I would say, okay, guys, I'm switching to my other Snapchat Bye. And they would be like how do I get on that Snapchat?

Speaker 1: 49:51

I want to see this. This was the Safer Work intro right.

Speaker 2: 50:01

Yep yeah, and I posted a show every every single day.

Speaker 1: 50:03

I did not miss a day for like two years on snapchat.

Speaker 2: 50:05

I posted a show every single day. Yeah, it was, it was high maintenance would you say. I just remade a premium snapchat and I post three times a week and I'm like that still feels like a lot. I enjoy it because it's kind of nostalgic for me, but it like I don't know if I want to keep doing this. Actually, I don't know how I did this every single day.

Speaker 1: 50:32

And would you say, in this time, shout out is a good way to bring traffic.

Speaker 2: 50:41

On Snapchat or just on platforms in general?

Speaker 1: 50:43

Just right now for girls to bring people to their OnlyFans or to their pages.

Speaker 2: 50:56

Yes, yes, if it's just a selfie together, that if you're posting like, if somebody is following my page and my friend is like, wants, wants some promotion. So I offered to shout her out on my page, me taking her photos, putting them on my page with her little ad and tagline and all that stuff. But my people are going to like it because she's going to be hot, it's going to be good. So there she will get some conversion, it'll be good. But to maximize it, what I feel works better than like her sexy photo is a cute selfie of her and I together, because they're following me, so they're here to see me. And when some other girl pops up with like, hey, come, follow me, it feels like an ad and so they will click on it.

Speaker 2: 51:52

Obviously she's if they're interested in her, but they will pay more attention to the post if they're like oh, who's Tilly hanging out with? That's her friend. And so that she is actually my friend Cause. There we are together. And then the second photo is like her sexy photo and all that. It creates a lot more interest and it creates a tie to something that they're already familiar with and they already like and she's gorgeous and they're interested in what she's saying. That conversion rate is going to be higher in my experience.

Speaker 2: 52:22

So even like if you're going to shout out the girls, this is really interesting, yeah and yeah, if you're going to shout out your friend and she's got some hot modeling photos, like they're like wow, yeah, post them. But do you guys have a cute selfie together at a bar, like looking all like cute together? Like did you go out to a rodeo together or something Like do you have a cute photo of you guys together? Because that should be the first photo, because they will recognize you and stop and look at it rather than just scrolling on past another like oh, it's an ad, so. And then the other photos should be the super hot ones of her, so they can be like Whoa, her friend is hot, instead of just the caption of follow my friend, because I think most of them are keen to the fact that a lot of us don't know each other in person. Like we are, they are my friends, but like we're not hanging out every Tuesday doing karaoke, okay, so to see that like oh, this is actually somebody that, like they're out hanging out with, that starts the fantasy of like well, what do they do when they're together? Are they ever going to collab Like they?

Speaker 2: 53:32

So it's just a little more intriguing that way and obviously, like you can only do that with people you actually know and see, but I'm just saying, if you have a selfie with a person, that should be the cover photo, because that pulls people. In my experience, it pulls people a little bit more. That also, though, is based off my experience, which my customer base, since I'm a solo creator, experience which my customer base, since I'm a solo creator, my customer base is very invested in me and who I am, because there's nobody else to look at, it's just me. So I I find what, the more personal I make something, the better response from them I have, because they're they're truly want to get to know me, and and it's fun it's fun to get to know them too. I really enjoy it.

Speaker 1: 54:23

So for the girls, I also tried. So my podcast is featured by modelsearchercom, and model searcher is an, yeah, adult friendly social media platform and they are right now a lot of users on the platform and you can link directly to your OnlyFans. So it's really important. I was trying this now for the last, I think, four or five months, and you have also a tracking link so you can track how many people go to your OnlyFans and it's still working. You just have to post daily. It's like post daily, like what you post on Instagram, and this also works really well because, yeah, you know, instagram goes harder and harder. So, for the girls, if you like to try modelsearchercom, just do it. Just try it also for agencies or studios. It's really good to do it.

Speaker 1: 55:24

I think your agency is working also with model searcher, because I was in the pod with Leah last time and we was talking also about this yeah, yay, yeah. Last time and we was talking also about this yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It's so funny because now I have your, my report and when I started in the, in the agent, in the agency, as test monitorial for Germany, I was learning from your shows, from my shows, and it was so for me it was completely new because I was an exclusive cam girl for the last. I think at this time four years or five years, so I know to entertain people. But it was completely new for me the structure of the shows for the first part.

Speaker 2: 56:20

Going live to the pre-recorded is so, so different. I'm not like I don't want to say I'm bad at live, because I'm pretty okay at live, but it's just not my bread and butter.

Speaker 1: 56:32

But you can do it. The good thing is, you can do it whenever you like to do it. Yes, yes, you can. You can, you can do it I don't know what in English when you put it into your day, with your clothes, with your mood, you can show some, some more things of you. You can do it with your phone and you don't have to sit in front of your big computer where you have the big cams or whatever and it does make traveling very easy.

Speaker 1: 57:06

Yeah, yes, you can do it around the world and I love it yeah, I can do it anywhere.

Speaker 2: 57:12

I don't have to have. I have to have wi-fi to upload it and do all that, but I don't have to have. I have to have wifi to upload it and do all that, but I don't have to have it while I'm filming it. So I there have been times that I've been like up in the Rockies and I had to go all the way back down out of the mountains to get some wifi to post it. But I got to go up and explore and film and take photos and adventure.

Speaker 1: 57:34

And you also can do. You also can do, can do it. Yeah, you also can plan, for example, three or four days, four shows a day yeah, do it two times per week and you have the rest of the week your free time. You also can do it like this. It's so nice it.

Speaker 2: 57:50

It really is. There are some days that I will get, or like, if I have something planned that I need to be somewhere, I'll just film, you know, four shows a day for like three days in a row, and then I have them already and then all I have to keep up on is the chats and and the daily stuff and the things that I can just do from my phone, rather than like, oh crap, I need to film a whole show or I need to get dressed and like go live and do all this stuff. Nope, I can just get the content done and then focus on the actual interactions and the things that matter.

Speaker 1: 58:25

Yeah, and I was also. I was also in into Snapchat when they when they started to block their accounts.

Speaker 2: 58:32

Yeah, that was, it was horrible. Yeah, that was man. I was like why snapchat? Why do you have to do? How is it right?

Speaker 1: 58:43

but, but, but. But now snapchat allowed um not safe for work content right when the account is private, correct?

Speaker 2: 58:52

yes, yeah, which the accounts were private.

Speaker 1: 58:56

So I'm like yeah, because my friend told me, hey, snapchat allowed, not safe for work content. I say what? Yeah, when the account is closed, you can post whatever you like. And I said yeah that's.

Speaker 2: 59:14

I was just told that recently too, and so I restarted it because I'm like, let me see, let me see about this.

Speaker 1: 59:19

You restarted it.

Speaker 2: 59:21

I, yeah. So I restarted my premium one, but it's not the same, and so, because I knew that I would not, did not want to.

Speaker 1: 59:30

But how you bring up every morning your secret snap, how you bring people to your secret snap um, I really don't advertise it much.

Speaker 2: 59:40

I put it on there because I knew I was like it's not hard for me to post something three times a week.

Speaker 1: 59:45

That's what I committed to so but is it, is it allowed to bring from a normal snap to link to a private?

Speaker 2: 59:52

snap. I don't think so. I do have a public snap, but I really don't. I don't link anything there. I allude to having a premium snapchat on there, but I'm not on there much really, but I don't.

Speaker 1: 1:00:05

But this make no sense, where they allowed this, but how you will get money, how? How will this work? Still with fan central yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:00:14

So I just reopened it on fan centro and put it in my my link tree and everything. And there are still people because I had such a following on snapchat back in 2020, like during covid, that when they tap on my links and see that oh, she has premium snapchat still, they, they subscribe to it. So I still end up with I just kind of put it on there to see. I'm not pushing traffic towards it at all, I just put it on there as an option for my traffic to choose and I am getting some Snapchat members. I don't push it hard, it's more of like just a little nostalgic thing for me that I enjoy doing. But, uh, it is still because it's a. I call that. It's not passive income, because we're I have to actively be honest more so I don't. I don't love it anymore. It doesn't quite fit my lifestyle as much. That's why I'm only doing it like but also.

Speaker 1: 1:01:17

But also, snapchat is right now the normal snap. Really hard, yeah, because I just yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:01:23

I was posting.

Speaker 1: 1:01:25

I just was posting a bikini pic and they was deleting this pic.

Speaker 2: 1:01:31

I said yeah, I would. I would not, I wouldn't even bother with like a regular public Snapchat, unless you were going to be like completely safe for work on it. Yeah, let me see. Yeah, no, because I love Snapchat, I do, I enjoy it, because I and I love snapchat, I do, I enjoy it, but I don't use it in my personal life anymore. I think, just because I used it so much for work, I don't, I don't think to like snapchat things like my friends do.

Speaker 1: 1:02:09

I think. Also, I don't know if a lot of people right now, also from the influencers, have Snapchat anymore. I don't start the last time. Often they're just some big people. Maybe they are focusing right now. I don't know if they're pushing these influencers or not. I don't know. Yeah, I don't know if it works if you will start with a safe for work Snapchat. I know that a lot of models are using it to chat with important people, for example, soccer players or something, because you can't do screenshots of the chats, you know. So if they like to talk in secret, then it makes sense, um, because they prefer it. But yeah, I don't know if it's worth time to start a safer work snapchat no, I I wouldn't say it's worth the time.

Speaker 2: 1:03:10

I'd say if you are a person who enjoys using snap, then sure have a safer public Snapchat because you like to post, to take selfies and that's like your go-to app to do that anyways, then it makes sense. If it's going to be an extra thing for you to do, don't bother doing it. That would be my advice. I can't say it's not beneficial, but is it worth it? Right now? I personally don't think so, because I have one.

Speaker 2: 1:03:47

I don't. I don't. I stopped using it again because it it doesn't drive traffic. It's just another way for people to see you, and that's good. The more off, the more they see you they, the more they'll want to see you and more they'll remember you. So it is good. Is it worth it? I don't know.

Speaker 1: 1:04:07

I don't think so okay, okay, tali um, I have another question. So if girls um like to start in the online business and have some questions and maybe like to start with one of your rafflings from you, where they should reach out to you, oh, I should put that in my link tree.

Speaker 2: 1:04:30

Instagram, actually not Instagram, because if you even mention the word OnlyFans or OF and all that in an Instagram DM, it gets all of us in trouble, so please don't do that. Twitter.

Speaker 1: 1:04:41

Also the guys. The guys don't understand it.

Speaker 2: 1:04:44

Oh my gosh yes.

Speaker 1: 1:04:45

Oh, my God.

Speaker 2: 1:04:46

Don't DM me about my. Onlyfans Don't open the messages, click on the link and DM me on OnlyFans. Come on, but yeah, that's, do not, don't speak the words. Onlyfans on Instagram. It's, and that's a big no-no, that's don't, don't.

Speaker 1: 1:05:07

So Maybe they should reach out to you by email or what. I would say Twitter, twitter is going to be the right place.

Speaker 2: 1:05:15

I have my DMs open on Twitter and I do check my my DM requests.

Speaker 1: 1:05:19

Oh, I have to follow you on Twitter too.

Speaker 2: 1:05:22

On Twitter. So it's Tilly toy. Underscore tweets. Tilly toy tweets Tilly toy underscore tweets yeah.

Speaker 1: 1:05:32

One question how is your Twitter going?

Speaker 2: 1:05:40

Oh, you froze for a sec. What?

Speaker 1: 1:05:44

You hear me again.

Speaker 2: 1:05:46

Yes.

Speaker 1: 1:05:47

Yeah, how is your Twitter going in the last months? Are you growing? Because I'm stacking Since one or two years. I'm stacking by 160,000. It goes a little bit up and down and up and down. It's not growing anymore, but my tweets got reached, so I don't understand this.

Speaker 2: 1:06:12

I mean it's always changing. I mean it's always changing, and I've noticed in all social media that there are like seasons of growth and then there's just like a plateau where you don't, where nothing happens. Like for Instagram too. Like, I gained like 60,000 followers over the course of like three months and now I have been stuck there.

Speaker 1: 1:06:37

In three months, 60,000 followers over the course of like three months and now have been stuck there 60,000.

Speaker 2: 1:06:42

Yeah, it was. It was crazy fast and I swear Instagram just like accidentally took me off the no-no list. They like took me out of Instagram jail for a minute and then I grew and then they were like, oh, whoops, she should be in jail and put me back in jail. So so that's why I do stay consistent on Instagram, because you never know, you might hit one of those pockets and have a growth spurt and if you're not posting, you won't catch that. With Twitter it's been kind of the same thing. Every now and then I'll like join a retweet group or something and and get a little boost from that, but I really don't like to, because I don't like my feed being full of other people's content, like.

Speaker 2: 1:07:30

I won't do it, don't do it yeah, I don't, I really don't like having I follow.

Speaker 1: 1:07:37

I follow. I follow you right now and I will send you um a really interesting tweet to understand the twitter code just read it, and then you know what? What it's to do what's not allowed to do. It's a really cool account. There's a guy who's studying the Twitter code and I can send you something. It's really interesting.

Speaker 2: 1:08:06

Yeah, okay, that would be amazing Because Twitter is a, especially after, like, elon bought it and so it's changed a lot just since then.

Speaker 1: 1:08:16

I know.

Speaker 2: 1:08:18

That's why I would send it to you.

Speaker 1: 1:08:22

Because what he wrote down is so interesting. You will understand Twitter much better, because it's also important if you like comments, if you're interacting with people, if you like comments, if you're interacting with people, if you interact with the wrong people. Twitter put you on a ban too well, and in my case, I don't.

Speaker 2: 1:08:51

yes, yeah, instagram will so because, like my main page, I follow all of my industry friends and my DMs are full of me talking to my industry friends.

Speaker 1: 1:09:03

No, don't do it. Or people in the industry talking about work.

Speaker 2: 1:09:06

Well, and we don't even talk about the industry. But because we are accounts that are associated with that already and we're all interacting together, we're kind of like in that group of these people are the undesirable sex workers. We don't want them here. So, like I just started doing, like yoga, stretching content and it's sexy, but it's safe for work, and I made an Instagram for it. But I told myself I'm like I'm not going to follow any of my friends back on it Because if I do like I'm only going to follow.

Speaker 1: 1:09:43

You are the first person who said this. I was starting to change the algorithm to fitness from the industry. I stopped to follow a lot of creators from our industry just two or three right now. So if girls say to me, jessie, why you don't follow me anymore, I explain because I like to change the algorithm. I make some fitness bodybuilders into my close friends and this saved my account, trust me, this saved my account Because if the girls follow all the all the shadowbanned accounts, your account will get a ban too. Also, if you tagged a lot of shadowbanned accounts, your account will get a ban too, and girls don't understand this. Also, what you write in dms is so important. It's so, that's so. That's why I don't communicate in Instagram and I hate when people write shit in DMs, because I have like I know.

Speaker 2: 1:10:45

Whenever I get a DM about like, hey girl, I need some help with OnlyFans, I'm like no, like go away.

Speaker 1: 1:10:53

And also all the agencies. They reach out to you. They wrote something about OnlyFans and you are. Oh my god, are you crazy?

Speaker 2: 1:11:00

I know I'm like you spelled the whole word get out of here and people don't understand it and I am like they don't and it's, it's. It's not something you would think of because, like we have this idea that our DMs are private and they are not yeah, now it's my dog yeah yeah so um yeah, instagram, no, that's my main page.

Speaker 2: 1:11:27

I've just kind of I'm just eating it, it's fine. I'm like it'll be shadowban forever, whatever, I use it more to like stay in touch with my friends and and be in contact with them and my my really good customers and followers. They also follow and interact with me on there because they want to see me. But as far as like using it for reach, no, you're better off starting a separate page not attached to the other one. Don't tag the main page. Don't don't touch your industry page and do it with something like fitness or like I'm doing yoga and then get, get some landing pages elsewhere to direct traffic back to your pages. Because if and don't follow your friends on it, like that's, I see people make backup pages, but the first thing they do on the backup page is follow all of their industry friends and their own pages and then tag their own pages and that page will never grow.

Speaker 2: 1:12:31

So, I mean, if you make a new page, you should be doing it for traffic and engagement, so you should be optimizing the amount of people that are going to see your reels not staying in contact with your friends Get their phone numbers.

Speaker 1: 1:12:44

Yeah.

Speaker 2: 1:12:45

Pretty much.

Speaker 1: 1:12:46

Okay, girl, do you like to give some advice or say something more to the girls?

Speaker 2: 1:12:58

Stay consistent, that's I know everybody says that Consistency and content is key. Consistency and content. Make content and be consistent. Don't get discouraged. Stick to it. Keep that positive attitude whenever you can.

Speaker 1: 1:13:16

And if you don't have a positive attitude, and be and be authentic, be authentic and try to be authentic.

Speaker 2: 1:13:25

Don't, don't force it, just go off how you feel, do it that way. I mean it's we. I get like playing a character obviously, because I mean we are, we are role playing always. We are in character when we're working. But if that character can be as close to you as possible, it will make your life way easier because, like I said, I've been doing this for 10 years and the girls like even at the strip club, the girls who have like a total alter ego, identity for their dancer name and all that get I've seen them get burnt out.

Speaker 2: 1:14:01

Those are the girls that will disappear for like a month and then come back to the strip club because they just had to walk away from it, where the girls that are just there and they'll talk to the customers about their cats and they're in college and all that stuff and being authentic and truly just sharing yourself, you can share yourself safely. You know, if you're aware of the way you talk, the words you use, whether you're using the name of the school. You don't have to. You don't have to say I'm going to OSU or LSU. You can say I'm in college. Don't say people's names, but you can say my brother, my friend, my husband, whatever you can refer to all these people in your life, you can talk about your life. You can talk about your pets, you can talk about your job.

Speaker 1: 1:14:48

Don't use specific words, locations, names, things like that this is really, really, really interesting, but you can share as much as you want, to feel comfortable.

Speaker 2: 1:14:59

To feel honest For me, like honesty is a huge, important, extremely important. For me, honesty is, and I don't like to have people in my life who and when I say don't mean people who will, you know, do something and lie about it, like flat out lie, but just people who aren't living true to themselves and who are, who will bend or mold themselves to the situation to fit in, rather than just living honestly and being themselves and speaking their minds. That's extremely important to me, and so it moves over into my work life a lot because I have to live honestly. I have friends who are like don't ask Tilly a question that you don't want to know the answer to, because she's going to tell you all my customers and everybody who talks to me.

Speaker 2: 1:15:54

I'm not harsh, but I am honest always, at all times, and so that translates into my work life as well. As I try to share, I do share all of myself with everyone. I just do it safely, in a way that people can't find me, they don't know too much about me, but they get to know me, if that makes sense yeah, this makes sense.

Speaker 1: 1:16:22

Yeah, okay, um, okay. So for the girls, if they like to start industry with one of your links, they should reach out on x to you. I will also on x. Yeah, I will also link your x under the podcast. Um, it was a really nice time with you and I think this is this was um a really cool talk. Also for girls um, they do solo content and they don't like to start to do hardcore content. How they can keep their shows or content interesting also over a long period. So thank you for all your tips and tricks. Absolutely.

Speaker 2: 1:17:19

I'm willing to share them with anybody who will listen, so like anyone can message me on Twitter for help, advice, whatever.

Speaker 1: 1:17:25

Oh, this is nice.

Speaker 2: 1:17:27

Might take me a few days to get around to answering it, but I will answer it, I promise.

Speaker 1: 1:17:34

Yeah, thank you so much for your time, tilly. Maybe I will see you again. Again, my podcast next time. Maybe we will find another cool topic. This will be great yes, that'd be great and yeah, thank you for your time and um, let's talk soon yes, thank you thank you, bye, bye.